Toyo vs Nokian

My truck came with General Grabber AT2s when I bought it in November.

After 3 months, I'm not loving them at all. Noisy, terrible in snow and not suited for my driving needs (mostly on-road, light off-road occasionally) Will be looking for some new tires in the spring along with a few other goodies (man this forum is expensive!!!)

I won't be doing any kind of lift kit in the foreseeable future and from threads on this site I should be able to go with 265/70/17s without any rubbing issues etc., so I've narrowed it down to two options:

Nokian Rotiiva AT Plus
Toyo Open Country AT II

My dad votes for the Toyo's because he has run them for years on his trucks, but I have heard and read good things about the Nokian's as well, so I'm looking for feedback from anyone who runs these tires - pros and cons.

If one of your cons is price, I'm not worried about the price. I want quality tires and am willing to pay for them.

 

if price doesn't matter then why fiddle-fuck with 'meh' tires ?

slap Michelin on it... ltx at2

ya cannot beat them for what you posted = mostly road, light offroad.

 

Michelin does make a decent tire and I ran them on a VW Jetta years ago. For whatever reason I have never liked the look of them on truck.

 

I vote Toyo, that's what I run.

 

looks ? looks ? you want looks, get anything else, as your priorities must be something
other than road performance, rain performance, gravel performance and lifetime, combined.


you want tread compounds that perform, belts that don't delam, sidewalls that don't tear
at scraping on rocks, high speed rain puddle anti-hydroplane, very well balanced and
long lasting tire, quiet on road....you get michelins


to the OP, get Nokians, Toyo are shit after 20,000 miles

 

I'm trying to see how you narrowed it down to those two particular tires... broaden your horizons, my friend. Consider cooper at3's. Those would likely satisfy your need for looks and practicality.

 

Those are totally different tires just FYI. The Toyo is an A/T that will have a bit harder tread that will do okay unless you have a lot of gravel to travel. That's where they suck.

The Nokians are basically one step up from a dedicated winter tire. They will be awesome in snow and on ice but will wear quickly in the heat.

So choose what fits you best. Personally in that price range I'd run the Hancook ATm's. They last a lot longer than the Toyo's and do well in snow. Not great on ice though.

 

The Toyo's are from experience. My dad has run nothing but these tires for years and runs all the log roads back home to every puddle he can fish. Never had a problem and they seem to last.

The Nokian's have a good winter rating and I like the look of them. I have a year round cottage that sees a ton of snow but I don't want to run dedicated winter tires.

The jury is still out. I'll take a closer look at the Cooper's...

 

I agree; very different tires. Part of the reason why I'm asking people for their insight, particularly if they've ever run them for any length of time.

 

I've run the old Toyo AT as well as the new Toyo AT2. They are different tires BTW and the AT2 is only a few years old. They chewed up on gravel in under 20K on me both times. The AT2 was a bit quieter and not as great in the soft stuff IMHO.

Like I said, if I was thinking about getting a tire like the Toyo AT2 I'd just buy Hankook ATm's. Same sort of style but they last a lot longer.

 

Free shipping for toyo, and 60,000 tread life warranty. Had my last set of toyo ats on for 50k and sold them with a half inch of tread left. I switched to the toyo mts, but recommend the ats to everyone.

 

No shops around here will honor the warranty if the tire chewed up on gravel. Something to note.

 

That's good to know! Come to think of it the old guy probably has the ATs, not the AT2s. He swears by them.

 

Quit worrying about looks and focus on function.

The recommended Michelins are the way to go for your described use.

A set of wheels (takeoffs from someone, OE, cheap) and winter tires for the cabin runs/winter time.

Two sets of tires is the only way to have your cake and eat it too. (You said money didn't matter.)

 

What load rating did you go with? Just curious, because mine looked barely used at 50k and I live in an area where half the roads are dirt.

 

E rated. They were on an F150 when I ran the AT's and a Ram 2500 when I ran the AT2's. I also ran the AT2's on another F150 my summer student had. Again, I have no complaints about the tire other than it seemed to chew up really easy on gravel. I had a pic, let me see if I can find it. I tried to warranty the ones on the Ram and it was no go. I took it all the way to Toyo and all they would give me was a cheesy coupon for a small discount on another set.

 

Damn... That blows. I used those tires on a few off pavement adventures too with no chunks ripped off on rocks and roots/stumps. That's also pretty lame they didn't warranty them... Must be set criteria for what constitutes if they replace the tire or not. Good to know!

I still recommend the at2s though!

 

As I said, Michelin's are great, just not a fan of the look. And yeah, looks have to matter. Otherwise, what's the point?

I have a spare set of rims (came with the truck), but I live where there's minimal snow/ice in winter (Toronto) and it's only heading for the cottage (three hour drive) where the snow piles up fast, so as much as money doesn't matter it does seem like a waste to have dedicated winter tires if I can find something that will work for me in most conditions.

 

Okay, with that information go with the Nokians. In Toronto you will like them which is where you will use them most of the time. For the little bit of offroad you do to get to the cottage they will hold up fine.