Toyota Canada raised MRSP on all Tacomas

We will take our awful Healthcare over your trillions of dollars of dept anyday!

 

Wow are you arrogant sometimes. You think that the way you do things is the best and there is no alternative, eh? You and your ways are the best, no questions asked. Healthcare is one little thing we enjoy, yes, but so does the rest of the developed world. How many millions of people in the US don't have medical insurance and are basically screwed if they need treatment? I'll pay a little more in taxes so that I don't have to worry about chosing between paying the mortgage or getting surgery. Hell, look at the stats from your own CIA; you are better off being born in Cuba than you are in the US (lower infant mortality rate and equal life expectancy). Cuba even has a higher literacy rate!

I'm sorry, but your country, for all of its many and excellent good points, has some serious social issues that need to be addressed, and you need to recognize that. Canada is not perfect, but we're happier and healthier than Americans.

I don't want to get into a pissing match, but that little comment ticked me right off, and I felt it needed to be addressed.

 

You are correct, kinda. Both countries are fucked. People are idiots who want governments to wipe their ass. Thomas Jefferson said People will get the government they deserve. Well people are brain washed by the corporate media and their bleeding hearts want big brother to protect them. Thomas Jefferson also said "For Tyranny to thrive all that is needed is for good men and women to do nothing". Well that is going on all over the world. So reap the consequences if you believe in this big government bull shit.
The answer to 1984 is 1776.

 

I also lived in both, and I prefer the US for most of it. The main difference is in the US they let you manage your money (i.e. you have to get health insurance, set money aside for your kids to go to school, etc). In Canada they take all your money (50% in Quebec) and they manage everything.

So because they manage everything, you get a shitty healthcare service, shitty roads, uber expensive driver's licences and registrations, etc.

I prefer to manage my own money, but for people that are bad at it, it's better when the government does it all.

 

i HATE the dealer logs

 

All the Canadians I knew came to the US for their healthcare. Part of our trillion dollar problem is that Americans subsidize low drug prices for Canadians. It's not refutable. I never said the US was perfect, that was your assumption. Don't confuse arrogance with accuracy. God Save the Queen. Great place to fish, by the way.

 

I bought my '07 in August of '07.......To reflect the strong Canadian dollar and to discourage people from going to the states to buy vehicles,Toyota Canada lowered prices substantially.The '08's listed for almost $3000 less than what I paid for my truck.

How's that for a kick in the stones?.....

 

Can you easily buy a vehicle in the U.S. and then register it in Canada? I would assume there is a huge import tax?

 

well my truck has dropped seven grand here now since 07, plus they have just gone 0% instead of the 5. something I had to pay out. So I'd say with that percentage drop and the seven grand less price tag that would be well over ten grand less, maybe closer to thirteen or fourteen

 

The Toyota Canada website is NOT showing any current incentives for Tacoma's. The 0% and cash back stuff is for other models, including Tundra's.

As for health care, forms of government, etc., if it's so bad in Canada for people, I encourage them to see the world and move. I'd hate to have my taxes go towards subsidizng someone who takes for granted all of the benefits those tax dollars provide, most of which they don't even think about until they no longer have them.

 

Canadians that can afford to do so, come to the US for serious surgery and complex healthcare. It's not an issue of cost, it's an issue of quality. Canada provides healthcare to all (I lived under OHIP - the Ontario Health Insurance Plan), and I can assure you, you got what you paid for! In the UK, you may have to wait months for immediately required heart surgery! This is when the true colors of social healthcare come to light: citizens leave to get what they need. They don't move, they just get their healthcare in another country.

 

A rather enormous generalization, but true in some cases. Much like it's true that many seniors retain their Candain citizenship (when they live in the US for many months of the year) JUST so they can keep their health care coverage, since they can't afford it down there. Want to know something else that makes me proud as a Canadian? The fact that if folks get into trouble here, our health care system will still look after them, and not always just Canadians. A few years back we had a US Citizen (a US war vet no less) fall ill in the area where I'm from while they were on vacation. This person's insurance wouldn't cover their trip back to the States so that they could be near their family for their last days and neither would Uncle Sam. They ended up getting treated in the area they fell ill rather than being kicked out on the street due to lack of coverage. That's fine though, afterall, it was the right thing to do. I'm sure that person's family now has a different perspective on the difference in the systems . . .

I've known many folks who have had major medical issues and when push comes to shove, our system works and it works quickly. People don't wait months for immediately required heart surgery . . . please. I've known folks who've had those issues and they are treated like the priority that those cases are. If you need knee surgery or stuff like that, then yeah, the US system "may" be better and you probably will get the stuff done quicker.

Our system is more biased towards placing a priority (and thus resources) on major medical issues, as opposed to more minor stuff, hence some of the issues around long wait times, etc. That's a sacrifice I'm willing to live with. I like the comfort of knowing that you don't have to do a cost benefit analysis or mortgage your home to determine whether you should undertake treatment.

 

This is a deeply moral/social issue. The Canadian and UK systems of health welfare treat everyone as equal. While I think this is laudeable from a morality perspective, I feel you should not be "forced" into it. This is, in effect, forced insurance. Good for car drivers, but not a good thing for general healthcare, in my capitalistic opinion. And I make no bones about it, I am a pure capitalist and proud of it. If someone has the ability to "pay up" for better healthcare, they should be able to do so, just as each of us has different option levels on our Tacos (not meaning to cheapen the subject). And they should not have to fly off to a another country to do it. Hockey players make more than doctors in Canada - and pro players in the US make more than most doctors here. THAT is what is not right and immoral. I have absolutely no problem with "national healthcare", as long as you have the right to opt out. But there is the rub, socialists and Democrats don't want you to have that right....because they want to redistribute your money. And I am vehemently anti-socialist/communist. I am already forced to send my children to private schools - at $16K a year per child - because the public schools have been "socialized" mostly by dumbing down standards and eliminating all spiritual instruction. I pay for full healthcare because the HMO's suck. I will pay to play in the system that is the best, and I don't think I should have to compromise because some dipshit politicians think we should all be paid the same amount, go to the same school system, get the same heatlhcare, etc. The current state of world affairs is, at its core, a "you have and I want it", the "have's against the want to have's" mentality. It's sick. Our Constitution allows us equal access to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It doesn't say we should all drive the same truck or car. Obama is a Progressive Liberal. He doesn't think there are ANY immutable beliefs or facts and at his core believes we should all have equal access to everything. Case in point, he sends terrorists to unmonitored, taxpayer paid bungaloes in the Bahamas. Next he will give them access to OUR healthcare system, paid for by US taxpayers. Socialism is just a VERY, VERY bad thing.

 

For what it's worth, I'd rather hockey players get paid more than doctors here. A visit/appointment with our family doctor is a joke.

 

Exactly my point. When I was Ontario, a H.S. Athlete physical paid a doctor $45. Of course, this was some time ago, but I remember my "full physical" well. The Dr. pulled my jocket shorts out, look at my privates and said "looks OK down there". That was my TOTAL physical. It's was shocking joke! My full physical now, which I get every year, is $500. But I get EKG, treadmill, total blood lab work, complete 30 minute physical inspection by my Dr that I know well and was chosen by me. Plus more. It's worth it. You get what you pay for. Period.

 

Yep. One question, 10 minutes, NEXT!

I use the walk in clinics myself. Not sure how it differs behind the scenes but they ask so many questions it gets irritating. Never seen the same doctor in the same place twice but the general feeling I get from the walk ins is they are there because they want to be.

There are waiting lists but I've had same day xrays. MRI's are easily accesible if one wants to pay for them.

 

Most of the questions are designed to prevent you from suing them for malpratice. Another legacy of scum trawling product liability lawyers.

 

no habla usa ! viva el castro!!!! LeBatts,Molson,canadien hockey fans,bay of fundy,bay of pigs.bay seasoning,pulled pork sandwich,cracklin. wtf can't we all just hate each other in peace mamby pamby b.s.

 

Suffice to say that I actually agree with many of your points. I think one could devise a system that incorporates the good from both the US and Canadian systems and merges them into one. Surely this isn't an impossible task. The thing that frustrates me the most about the Canadian system is not the service, but that fact that discussing options for improvement is shunned so strongly. IMHO, we should always be looking for ways to improve our system and I don't think it hurts the system to do that. I actually think it makes it stronger.

Good discussion btw!

 

Good points. I think the central issue is more cost than anything else. Even the private insurance cost growth is outstripping the ability of people of means to afford it. There is also a lot of waste in the system.....bad MRI's...unnecessary drug prescriptions, etc. The Healthcare system should have to compete for "business and patients"....Obama has grasped on this as a way to placate those against his Gov't Health Plan by focusing on it being in competition with private insurance. This is a red herring....and I totally agree with your points on stifling innovation and creativity. The Helath insurance and drug industry would like us to believe the high cost is to pay for the R&D, etc. I don't buy it. Apple iPods are not going UP in price as they get better, more storage, etc. We have to hammer on prices through competition.