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Toyota Tacoma Diesel Not Worth it Says Chief Engineer

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by replica9000, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. May 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM
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    BlueT

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    Really, so maybe Toyota should make only silver Tacoma's because those sell the best, also all automatic, and all V6 ?
    Its actually stupid to limit your revenue unless you have a good reason.
    And they have a reason By now installing a Minivan engine into Tacoma, Toyota will save millions. All they have to do now is produce same 3.5 for multiple vehicles, apart from few tiny modifications its going to be the same thing. It saves Toyota money and if stupid people buy that than why not sell it right? (Brooklyn Bridge for sale)
    Toyota is not bringing Diesel because its not cost effective, they not bring Diesel because stupid people will buy whatever they advertise. Even if its Minivan engine in the truck.
     
  2. May 13, 2015 at 12:09 PM
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    Toyota already has a diesel in it's overseas land cruiser. This variant would never make it's way into a Tacoma and it's obsolete when compared to the Cummins in the Titan but it does show that they have put resources into diesel technology. My guess is that they will re-evaluate the R&D costs after seeing how the GM mid-size trucks and Nissan fair with their diesel models. Toyota is known to be cautious when it comes to new technology and that shows in their amazing reliability as well as their reputation for making bland cars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_VD_Engine
     
  3. May 13, 2015 at 12:15 PM
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    BlueT I think the poster meant that Diesel isn't going to be a significant option for most people. Most people want the colours the Tacoma is currently offered in, but Purple probably wouldn't sell any more units or create a demand to cover the cost of adding the colour to the lineup. Make sense?

    No one is instigating that there isn't a demand for diesel, because there are obviously guys like you that are very hungry for one for whatever the reason. The truth is though that the Diesel in the Colorado will likely end up like the Cruze diesel, only offered on some fairly loaded up trims and not produced in high numbers do to the high price tag and relatively low demand. Toyota is probably thinking the same way.

    BTW that's not an insult against Diesel. That's an example of how Diesel non-HD vehicles have been handled by GM lately.
     
  4. May 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM
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    No diesel, folks. Can we finally get over it and move on???
     
  5. May 13, 2015 at 1:04 PM
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    If the gm twins and Nissan sell lots of diesels bet on Toyota putting one in the Tacoma. Truth is midsize trucks are getting pricey already and adding several thousand dollars to the price would cause a lot of people to shy away from purchasing one.
    The new engine will be more expensive to build then the 4.0 engine.
     
  6. May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM
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    I didn't say they should only make one variation. I said they pick and choose however many variations they need to cover most of the market for the least cost. The color example above was exactly what I was talking about.

    Oh joy, you went into your tired minivan rant. Are you still claiming that this engine is the same thing as the hybrid engine? Or did some correct info actually get through to you?
     
  7. May 13, 2015 at 1:46 PM
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    He figures that it's the same displacement it's gotta be a minivan motor.
     
  8. Jun 7, 2015 at 9:34 AM
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    So it's true no diesel , everything is just hype. The Tacoma will always be the same little truck it always has been. No turbo's no chargers no diesels. Only stuck on making better fuel economy.
    My opinion is that Toyota tacoma may wither and die out. The 2016 has few updates from the 2nd generation.

    Welp looks like I keep an eye on the chevy colorado diesel, and in the mean time drive my taco until she gets loose and warn out.

    So sick of this mid sized diesel thing.
    The emissions thing is totally bull poop with whip cream and a cherry to top it off with.
    You know diesels are cleaner than a gas engine.
     
  9. Jun 7, 2015 at 9:44 AM
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    ditto
     
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    In the realm of particulates and NOx, no, they aren't. They wouldn't need urea injection and other post combustion emission systems if they were cleaner.

    I don't get why everyone is taking it so personally. It isn't that Toyota can't do it or is being vindictive about not offering it. They ran the numbers and it doesn't make business sense for them to offer it at the moment. If they knew that they'd make money offering it, they'd build it.
     
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    It's because there are people who think the only way to make good usable power down low is with a V8 or Diesel. They want the stats of a full size, frame of a fullsize, and capabilities of a full size in the Tacoma. Which isn't going to happen. For some reason people take that personally like Toyota is giving into the man or something.
     
  12. Jun 7, 2015 at 2:55 PM
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    That is the thing, that vehicle exist...and we don't get it. Some of us old timer curmudgeons would love to have what the rest of the World gets, the HiLux...Toyota should of never abandoned that platform for the US market.
     
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    A lot of this is circular. The hilux isn't in America for a good reason. Toyota isn't the only company keeping certain vehicles out of America. Toyota does a lot of analysis to back up all of their decisions and let's just say there's a reason a lot of people here with who swear they're right don't work for Toyota as an analyst. They know what they're doing.

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    Yep, they must appeal to the masses.
     
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    I can't believe you morons are still at this.

    Rule #1 - if it won't make me a lot of money, I ain't doin' shit with it. done.

    go bitch about something else now, or go have fun in your Colorado, Canyon, Dakota, Ranger; or w/e you think seems to be better than the #1 selling light truck cause you have a hot poker up your ass twisting around...

    *end rant, exit stage left, throws hands in the air*
     
  16. Jun 8, 2015 at 10:33 AM
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    Soooo.... I take it you're not hoping for a diesel? :D
     
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    Meh Toyota is becoming like old GM. Getting cheaper.
    They closed NUMMI which produced high quality trucks, moved that to Mexico and Texas just to not pay better to all those people in NUMMI. Now trucks land at client hands with not enough fluid, rattles, and strange sounds.
    In last ten years Toyota had to apologize so many times that is not funny.
    The truth is its not the same Toyota that produced 1995 Tacoma. And our trucks are not like 1gen trucks. So claiming they know what they doing may be little off.
    They dont want to bring diesel because they know people buy what they selling just because the name, and it takes some time to lose the recognition.
    But downfall has to start somewhere and sometime.
     
  19. Jun 8, 2015 at 11:02 AM
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    Some valid points. You have to be very naive or just a plain fool to think the quality now-a-days is on par with the 90's and early 2000's. It's all about making money and that goes for everybody. When they moved Tacoma production to Mejico in 2005 it was to save on costs. Do they make a worse truck there? That's up for debate. Personally, I wouldn't own a Mexican made vehicle.
     
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