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Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by surfsupl, Oct 18, 2009.

  1. Oct 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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    glad someone is looking at this in the media. It meshes with the occasional posts around here of Taco's taking off randomly.

    I personally thing there's too much "fly by wire" in some of these cars. IMHO, brakes and gas (and apparently ignition) should be controlled mechanically, not electronically. Yeah, a wire may snap, but usually that still leaves you able to control the other pedal.
     
  3. Oct 18, 2009 at 1:12 PM
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    So once again we are going over the same thing that has been disproven time and time again
     
  4. Oct 18, 2009 at 1:15 PM
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    Two times I have experienced a stuck accelerator pedal and none of them were "fly by wire", a chaffed accelerator cable was the cause. The "fly by wire" system is quite basic, a sensor monitors pedal position and the ECU manages everything else.
    What is "fly by wire" : http://www.picoauto.com/applications/electronic-throttle-control.html
     
  5. Oct 18, 2009 at 1:49 PM
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    WOW! --a perfect argument for retaining keys and clutches.

    Automotive systems are becoming as bad as some found in aviation. That 3-second emergency shut-off is not something likely to be remembered in a panic. The new electron fob/button starters ARE accidents waiting to happen. :(

    I'm glad to be operating what I have.
     
  6. Oct 18, 2009 at 3:22 PM
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    Apparently. The search function must not be working again...
     
  7. Oct 18, 2009 at 3:55 PM
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    Where in this post am I trying to prove something?......It was something I read in the LA Times and thought it might be interesting to others .....
     
  8. Oct 18, 2009 at 4:13 PM
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    I'm still trying to figure out how likely it is that the fly-by-wire accelerator, ignition key/switch/button, brake system, and transmission selector could ALL fail simultaneously in a way that results in uncontrollable acceleration/speed.

    My 4.0 has a lot of power, but if I stand on the brakes I'm going to stop. Period. Even better if I throw it into Neutral.
     
  9. Oct 18, 2009 at 4:58 PM
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    what happened to hitting the e brake...shifting to neutral...all things a "cop" should have known....but i wasn't there, so i cant say whats right or wrong, only what i learned at 16 in drivers ed to get my permit
     
  10. Oct 18, 2009 at 8:09 PM
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    My truck once sped up slightly going uphill without any additional input from me and without the cruise control on. I can't really verify anything though, but I always keep it in the back of my mind. It seems like it happened another time as well, but it was only for a very short duration and only a few miles per hour so it's not really anything I can verify.
     
  11. Oct 18, 2009 at 8:27 PM
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    :spy:its all a big consipracy by US automakers to get toyota out of the top spot
     
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  13. Oct 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM
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    ...so the fly by wire fails and suddenly you are going 120 mph.... huh? suddenly? even a Lexus would take 7-8 seconds or more to go from 70 to 110 mph.

    BTW if your computer suddenly accelerates... the on/off button.... 3 seconds too, mine works, think they been that way for years now.

    Thanks Surfsup for the update/ article.
     
  14. Oct 18, 2009 at 9:04 PM
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    what was the point of calling the police when your car is going out of control, shouldn't the car be the immediate concern? couldn't he just have thrown it into neutral or even reverse or park?
     
  15. Oct 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM
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    Just knowing that Toyota will improve on it safety features like disengaging the engine when both the accelerator pedal and brake are applied at the same time is awesome, except for my mom who drives with one foot on the gas and one foot on the brake.

    Knowing that if the accelerator pedal is depressed all the way will prevent the car to stop because of its full throttle status is good information.

    Not the same redundant information as mentioned above. Makes for a good read.
     
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    Well, I chimed in last time on this, so I'll spare the slander of the CHP guy this time. I read the LA Times story. Still a bunch of holes in it. Things like how new auto trans shifter gates with + - up and down features can "confuse" a driver and cause them not to be able to find neutral. How a WOT situation might deplete the vacuum for power brakes after one or two "pumps" of the brake. How far you'd go at 120mph in 3 seconds.

    Bullshit.

    First, if you survived such a crash, the CHP would ask you why you didn't familiarize yourself with the vehicle BEFORE you drove it. And at what speed the problem presented itself.

    The shifter gates shouldn't confuse anyone who found a forward gear. You must pass through N to get one.

    You don't "pump" antilock brakes.

    This problem shouldn't present itself at 120mph, unless that's where you wanted to be in the first place.

    I did a little test today. First, our J-gated goofy shifter in the LS430 goes right into neutral, and you don't have to look at it to make that happen.

    And second, against a WOT at 80 mph, (l let it shift down then up again after I floored it) I pressed the brake with serious, but not anti-lock triggering force, & instantly brought the speed down 10 mph. Now I don't have $5000 for a trans job, so I didn't finish the test, but the Insurance Institute people like Clarence Ditlow, and the LA Times should take one out and try it. They can afford it. Besides, it probably wouldn't blow in just one try anyway. Instead, they seek to point at Toyota in this case, with all the glee they pointed at Ford after people with 7 passengers in a 5 passenger vehicle, none with seatbelts, on tires that looked like they were aired down for sand, going 85 mph, flipped and killed them all--obviously Ford's fault.

    They want to hang this on Toyota, instead of driver error. There may be some issue with the cars, but a driver familiar with the vehicle shouldn't get caught by this.

    BTW, a trucker killed two people down here a while back. Went down a highway he was not familiar with, and ran out his air brakes. There is no blaming the truck--they charged him with murder. A judge pulled that charge back, but he'll be given no chance to complain about the airbrake system letting him down. HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Just as we all should know the limitations and features of whatever we swing our butts into or onto.

    That said, 3 seconds to kill is bullshit. Our transponder-push-button on/off trucks kill instantly when you hit the kill button.

    Other than that, I haven't given it a thought.....
     
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    Regardless of the fact the he was a 19 year veteran of the CHP these are some points to take away from the article...

    It is sad that it happened. IMHO there are many factors that lead up to the crash but most the most important factor is the lack of familiarity of the vehicle.
     
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    we keep hearin "..if a highly trained CHP..." hell there is a lot of highly trained driver that arent cops, they are not the bastions of special elite skills, other than pursuit and knowledge of driving regulations etc.

    I had an officer on a icey hill trying to turn around, he kept going uphill to turn around. I told him to back downhill (work with gravity) then turn , he looked at me like i was an idiot. 5 minutes later he was turned around when he tried it on the first try.
    They need to stop pointing out he was a police officer, just address that he was a driver.
     
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    That, imo, is just part of the "blame the vehicle" mentality surrounding these mishaps.
     
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    what you know doesn't always save you, it's what you dont know that gets you.

    Part of my thinking wants it to be a conclusive answer like the throttle, he wouldnt be to blame that way.
     
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