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Toytec coil overs

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Xjman1, May 9, 2017.

  1. May 10, 2017 at 5:22 AM
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    Current rear set up is stock springs, Downey shackle and Bilsteins.
    Stock springs are not happy either, they are frowning, especially with weight.
    Oh yeah helwig helper springs back there too. 500# rating
     
  2. May 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM
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    According to 4wheel parts I am looking at 6-8 weeks out in fox or kings. I need to get this truck on the road!
    Icons are available but pretty costly and from what I read they leak like to old Harley's.
     
  3. May 11, 2017 at 8:19 AM
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    We have ICONS and KINGS available unless you are looking for custom length which yes will take 6-8 weeks.
     
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  4. May 11, 2017 at 10:08 AM
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    Ok. May hit you up on KINGS if I don't find any locally. Would like to get truck on the road this weekend if possible.
    I am not a fan of Icon's as it seems there are issues with them leaking.
     
  5. May 11, 2017 at 6:17 PM
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    Just grab some OME's or Bilstein's for your DD use and pocket the savings. A coilover is probably overkill for what you need and will hold up better over time. I had like 100k+ miles on my OME struts when I had a 3rd gen 4Runner.
     
  6. May 11, 2017 at 6:33 PM
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    And the oil was roached after 40K but you didn't notice since you drove it everyday. Lobster in a boiling pot scenario.
     
  7. May 11, 2017 at 6:51 PM
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    I tossed new springs on them right before I traded the truck and they were still money. The rear shocks were valved a little stiff but all around it was a great combo that lasted forever. Everybody I know around here that runs coilovers is always fighting them with the moisture and salt that is always around the Midwest.
     
  8. May 11, 2017 at 6:53 PM
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  9. May 11, 2017 at 6:54 PM
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    I have been thinking that as a temp solution. Could put some of that savings for Hawaii or a local cruise. I have ran OME on my old XJ's and they were awesome for a canned shock. I do have a pair of Quicklifts at work I can thow on but hard to go back after having SAW's even if they were not tuned and needed some love.

    I do want coil overs though for the occasional fast desert runs we do.
     
  10. May 11, 2017 at 6:58 PM
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    I need to print that out for the techs at my work. It is a pet peeve of mine when they order parts.
     
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  11. May 11, 2017 at 7:01 PM
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    Did you open them up to see how black the oil was?

    I'm not saying OME doesn't have a place but like any shock every made the oil doesn't last YEARS and 100K+ miles in a anaerobic environment with zero filtration and a starting volume of maybe 400 CC's of oil.
     
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    Don't know and don't care. People run shocks for 100k miles all the time with no ill effects. Of course you aren't going to go 100k desert go fast miles but for DD service that's not unusual.

    I'm just trying to point out to the OP that bling shocks aren't always the answer.
     
  14. May 11, 2017 at 7:18 PM
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    Just because others do it doesn't make it right. How uneven was the wear on their tires? How many porpoise bounces did the front end take after hitting a speed bump?

    But the shocks weren't leaking so they are good to go, right?

    Bolt in relabeled yellow monroe shocks definitely have a place but aren't a replacement for a quality coilover. In the end it's all about how the owner uses the truck and what their budget is.
     
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    Tire wear was totally even. It would compress, rebound, and settle once you were over the speed bump. No drama or chop at all. I lived in a place with them that made it hell to drive a lowered mustang with long tubes.

    I get you're in the business of selling shock services but don't feed people the BS line that shocks only last 40k. That's the crap that comes straight out of the parts store literature.
     
  17. May 11, 2017 at 7:40 PM
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    I don't work in the shock industry, or off-road industry at all. But expecting to get 40k out of shocks in an off-road rig is definitely not realistic. Oil in the shocks breaks down with heat. Heat is caused by the friction created from oil passing through valving as the shock cycles.
    Everyone's definition of a weekend warrior is different. If you are only hitting the dirt a couple times a year, then ya. 40k no problem. But if you are doing it once a week, not so much. I have to rebuild my shocks every two years because I bake the oil. Once it turns into a black frothy mess, the dampering becomes unpredictable and fades significantly faster.
    A leaky shock is not the only definition of a blown shock, especially with IFP/non-emulsion shocks. Blowing the IFP seal causes nitrogen to mix in the oil cavity creating a hydrolock. At that point you may as well have concrete in your shocks. What it boils down to is budget and owner requirements. The best part of a quality shock is the ability to have it valved for your rigs weight and your driving preferences.
     
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    How many shocks have you opened up after 20K? 40K? 100k? Do you change the oil in your engine? Transmission? Differentials? Why would shocks be any different? The motor is still running with 20K on the oil and no filter change, why spend the money on a oil change if it still works?????

    I have taken enough shocks apart to have gained the experience to know how long 3 pints of oil will last in a shock. Hell I have rebuilt race shocks with 1K miles on them that smelled like a donkey die inside. And DD/weekend warrior 2.5 remote resi's with 20K that you could still see the color of the oil.

    Bottom line, the oil doesn't last forever.
     
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    You guys done but swinging off of each other's nuts and ready to listen to what the OP needs?

    You're posting pictures of triple bypass shocks and stuff that has been hammered on. Not applicable to what the OP needs or how 99% of TW uses their trucks. By your theory of an off road truck, I should need 3.0 triple bypasses on my truck instead of 5125's that work perfect for rock crawling.

    He's not using his truck as a race truck. It's a DD, which for most of us means that he wants to get in and have it work every day with off roading a few times a year. That means he doesn't want it to be down for a week when the Icons leak and it takes a week for Icon to rebuild them under warranty. Sure it won't be as good desert racing but it'll fit his needs and last a long time.
     

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