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Transmission 2016/2017- 6 SPEED AUTOMATICS COULD BE LOW ON FLUID DIRECTLY FROM FACTORY

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by gearcruncher, Dec 13, 2015.

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was your transmission low on fluid

  1. fluid level is fine

    100 vote(s)
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  2. fluid level was low

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  3. Truck was built in USA and had low fluid

    103 vote(s)
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  4. Truck was built in Mexico and had low fluid

    130 vote(s)
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  1. Dec 28, 2016 at 6:11 AM
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    Taco280AI

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    My 17 was made in November, still an issue. Hopefully they finally got it figured out... but like I said my dealership is finding 60% of those checked are low.
     
  2. Dec 28, 2016 at 9:35 PM
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    Thanks Gearcruncher, et. al., for the heads up on this. Took my 2017 in today (I have the tow package). All OK on the ATF. Pretty exhaustive process to check the ATF. E.g., get the fluid temp with in the prescribed range to pop the drain plug and check.
     
  3. Dec 29, 2016 at 3:15 PM
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    My 2017 TRD fd2wd was low 1/2 qt toyota agreed to 8 yr 125k mile warranty extension but I still have a clunky hard downshift when cold After 23 yrs in the auto repair business I know for certain it will fail prematurely.
     
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  4. Dec 30, 2016 at 6:14 PM
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    Just checked my fluid. I was .9 of a quart low. Feels better after being filled properly. Mine is a 2017 TRD Offroad built in September.
     
  5. Dec 31, 2016 at 8:13 AM
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    TRD Sport Rally -5 speed automatic Limited ,Factory heated leather seats ,chrome package,Super white with front windows tinted to 35 % Dick Cepek DC-2 wheels Summer tires - Good year silent armor P265/65R17 Winter tires - Good year P265/65R17 Ultra Ice studded Illuminated 4x4 switch TRD 3rd brake light cover ($20) TRD seat belt shoulder protectors (5). ($50) TRD ...B pillar emblems ($20) TRD rear slider sticker with devil horns ( $6) TRD summer floor matts ($60) TRD steering wheel emblem ($20) TRD floor pedals .($95) TRD shorty antenna ($14) TRD front Windshield emblems ($17) TRD head pillows .($60) TRD head rest protectors TRD door scuff protection $20 TRD floor matt emblems ($40) TRD tow plug emblem . ($40) TRD cigarette lighter with LED.($35) TRD tissue dispenser ($12) TRD front bezel emblems ($9) TRD door emblems ($6) TRD lanyards($9) TRD lisence plates with TRD bolts($50) TRD fender emblems TRD center caps Part Number:PT904-35070-CC ($80) TRD cd

    This has been on going for close to 5 years . Our 2nd gen trucks also came from the factory with low fluid .
    You should of heard the guys badmouthing me when I started these posts but I think things have turned around now .
    It,s rather obvious Toyota knows about the low fluid issue but continues to do nothing about it .
    Strange that Toyota prefers to hand out extended warranties to those members who scream loud enough rather than rectify the problem at the factory ?
     
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  6. Dec 31, 2016 at 12:50 PM
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    va_trailrunner

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    I bought my 4WD 2017 TRD sport on 27 December. The sticker indicates that it was made in Texas. It had a December inspection sticker, so it was delivered within the last month. I drove it home, but have not driven it since, so it has 13 miles on it.

    Today (31 December) I checked the fluid. My driveway has a slight slope, so for me, the hardest part for me was finding a level surface. I backed it out of my driveway into the street and checked level with a 24 inch level on top on the edge of the bed.

    My truck needed about 1/3 of a quart, which is probably close enough to call it full from the beginning, especially since I'm not 100 percent sure that it was level. It's also a little cold today (about 45F), and I checked the level as soon as the D came on, so the transmission temperature was probably at the low end of acceptable range.

    I'll also add that the specification for the torque spec (15 ft-lb) for the overflow plug seems a little high for a 5mm hex bolt.
     
  7. Jan 1, 2017 at 6:22 AM
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    Hey Gear Cruncher, would there be any problem with us just draining all the trans fluid , minus the TC , and refilling/replacing the fluid to capacity spec....and what is the capacity spec? Rather than going through the temp mode, this mode, the pump, d blah, blah, blah.....Just trying to make it easy on me, and others.

    I have the 4 cylinder 2TR-FE which requires this:

    Automatic transmission 2TR-FE engine Fluid capacity* 2GR-FKS engine 9.1 qt. (8.6 L, 7.6 Imp.qt.) Fluid type Vehicles without towing package: 10.5 qt. (9.9 L, 8.7 Imp.qt.) Vehicles with towing package: 10.7 qt. (10.1 L, 8.9 Imp.qt.) Toyota Genuine ATF WS
     
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  8. Jan 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM
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    Would be a waste of hard earned cash if you didnt save the fluid considering your fluid is brand new . Why not overfill the trans , wait till it warms up , then let it drain out the overflow ?
     
  9. Jan 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM
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    Great idea too, but I am going to change it out anyhow with Amsoil signature series ATF which exceeds Toyota WS ATF......fortunately, I do have money to spend....unfortunately... I have absolutely ZERO patience for games at dealerships and "master" tech bullshit, I doubt my truck will even go back to any Toyota dealership for any tech to "practice" on, and I don't trust them 1 bit anyhow....I had to lemon a 2014 Ford with less than 1500 miles on it for driveline vibration, which they bought back off me after my lemon law lawyer threatened to sue under PA state law, and I sure as hell damn well do it with Toyota too, if they are going to sell trucks for the ridiculous amount of cash they are....they better damn well be right on the money right off the lot.
     
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  10. Jan 2, 2017 at 9:43 AM
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    Well said. I couldn't agree more !
     
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  11. Jan 2, 2017 at 12:40 PM
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    I believe this is the most logical way to do this.
     
  12. Jan 6, 2017 at 10:43 AM
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    Just got the 6 year 100,000 mile platinum warranty for free - refunded actually. Bought it for $1149 and they'll send a check for that.
     
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  13. Jan 6, 2017 at 4:18 PM
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    So my truck goes in tomorrow to get checked I told the lady on the phone that it should be covered under warranty and she said the service manager would go over the warranty information but I checked and it says the transmission is covered for 60,000 miles. The dealership is half a mile down the road from my house and the weather is around 20 degrees F tomorrow so does anyone know how long it would take for the engine to cool down in time for them to do a proper manual check of the ATF? Also I'm getting this ATF checked cause I've heard a lot of trd sport owners who didn't experience problems but found out their fluid was still low, but whenever I shift from R to D especially in colder weather the car lunges forward even though my foot is down on the brake, would this be a problem experienced from low fluid?
     
  14. Jan 6, 2017 at 4:19 PM
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    My truck was also made in Mexico and the inspection sticker is for October only had 30 miles when I got it
     
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  15. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:04 AM
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    Alright so just got my truck into the dealer and asked if they would manually check the fluid by putting it on a lift and the service advisor told me "There isn't a dipstick to check the fluid so the techs use a machine to check the level" I told her how there's a way to check the level by putting it on a lift and she told me that the techs are certified so they know the best way to check. Should I just go to another dealership and tell em that they wouldn't check my fluid properly? I assume the other dealer would also cover the work under the warranty as well.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:13 AM
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    You just got a whole round of BS from the lady. There are copies of the Factory Service Manual on this website. Just search for them.
     
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  17. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:16 AM
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    Yeah I downloaded one for the automatic transmission I have from @gearcruncher but I didn't think it would be necessary to bring it since this dealership always come through well on things I need done. I can always take it to another place.
     
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  18. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:31 AM
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    Oh yeah, the dealerships care so much about us, and our trucks. Really they do. I promise they do, they are so knowledgable too, Toyata trained in fact....so they must be good....and care.
     
  19. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:36 AM
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    Every time I go to the dealer to get a service on another car in the family they always come out and tell me something else that's apparently "wrong" with. One time a dealer told me the brake fluid was dirty in my moms 13 Camry at 60k miles and I told him not to change it considering we had an 05 Camry for 150k miles which never needed a brake fluid flush. When I checked the fluid it was perfectly clean I just topped it off with valvoline dot 3 and when I compared the two liquids they were basically the same. I've stopped trusting the service departments at dealerships.
     
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  20. Jan 7, 2017 at 10:39 AM
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    My 2017 will never see a dealership for anything unless they are giving away free oil. Toyata "care" ....yeah....whatever :jerkoff:
     
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