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Truck runs poorly, need diagnosis help

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by tmantstud, Aug 13, 2009.

  1. Aug 13, 2009 at 9:30 PM
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    Today under heavy acceleration in my 2.4 4cyl 5spd. 246,000 miles there was a loud clank at 3000 rpm and since then there has been very heavy valve slap, a rattle at 2200 rpm( kinda like a loose exhaust clamp), and a sputtering uneven idel. The valve slap occurs under any light acceleration and is a kind of muffled patter sound almost like that of an engine under strain. Could my timing chain be failing? Any help would be much appreciated.

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  2. Aug 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM
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    I dont think the timing chain would fail, but it may have skipped some teeth.....
     
  3. Aug 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
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    Could that one time occurrence cause this persistent problem? Could a clogged cat cause any problems? Neither of my O2 sensors work
     
  4. Aug 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
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    I agree with the aforementioned. One of your camshafts probably jumped out of sync by a tooth or two. It would still run, and you would likely get that lopey, scavenging idle.

    And when cats melt down in to a blob, they make a pretty distinct rattling noise in the cab. But I doubt that's the root of the problem.

    Does the engine also sound like it's scraping and grinding near the front upon deceleration?
     
  5. Aug 13, 2009 at 10:09 PM
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    Yes it does have a scraping rattling sound under acceleration/deceleration usually around the 2250-2500 rpm range.
     
  6. Aug 14, 2009 at 6:30 AM
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    I have a feeling your timing chain is about to go. To see if it indeed jumped a tooth, get a cheap vacuum gauge, and connect it to manifold vacuum. Start the engine, and if the needle bounces around, you've likely jumped a tooth. If it holds steady at idle, it might be a rattling cat.
     
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    Ok, today with the help of a buddy I identified the rattle as a broken O2 sensor connector. The truck still drives weird though. There is a persistent muffled strain sound whenever i push the pedal slightly. In order to not make the truck make the noise I have to drive it incredibly gently, without depressing the pedal more than even an inch.
     
  8. Aug 14, 2009 at 10:07 PM
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    in that case...one of your cats may be clogged.
     
  9. Aug 15, 2009 at 7:21 AM
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    I definitely agree. You mentioned also that neither of your O2 sensors worked. Usually when O2's go bad, engines run rich, and send a lot of unburnt fuel in to a 1500 degree cat. That's when you get the platinum brick.

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  10. Aug 15, 2009 at 7:27 AM
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    Wouldn't I have seen i major decrease in fuel economy if the cat had been clogged?
     
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    more than likely, but i have seen cats clog up, and there wasnt that big of a difference in mileage...depending on where the cat is located/if the o2 sensor is behind or in front of it.
     
  12. Aug 15, 2009 at 8:33 AM
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    Just curious, what kind of mileage have you been getting lately? I usually get around 26-27 in town. The best I've ever gotten was 31 on the freeway.
     
  13. Aug 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM
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    I average about 26-30 combined per tank. It hasn't changed as far as I can tell. I noticed that below the broken O2 sensor clamp there is also a broken muffler clamp. Could an exhaust leak make this sound?
     
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    Yeah, exhaust leaks usually make a loud "putt-putt" noise. Maybe the loud clank was one of the exhaust mounts giving way?
     
  16. Aug 15, 2009 at 11:33 PM
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    That's what I am beginning to think. Im going to take it by a shop to be put up on a lift to have the mounts re-welded and check for an exhaust leak. Thank you for all your quick feedback

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