Turbo charge

Kinda like the 6.0 diesel that they sold so many of... total pile of crap. Bro...

 

A properly sized turbo (especially if its a ball bearing) would have little to no lag. Like the eco boost fusions you really have to pay attention to notice the lag. Also cooler exhaust is dense exhaust. Its an extreme example but think about a water wheel vs a wind mill. Energy is mass·Acceleration^2, so while a decrease in acceleration does decrease energy output exponentially, and increase in mass does increase energy linearly.

Im not saying it could be done easily or that it would solve all the "issues" with the 3rd gens, it wouldnt hurt anything and it may even help

 

For real tho, they run great but higher mileage engines will develop lots of issues, from turbos to caking with carbon ect

 

Brosure!

 

Local Ford mechanics I know say the turbos are notorious for failing around 60k miles. These Ford mechanics also work on non Ecoboost to compare. They are known to have quite a bit of problems. Just like the 3rd gen Tacoma. Ha!

 

Devils Advocate - Two points to consider:

1. 3rd Gens are still in infancy stage. I don't know of anyone with even 100k on theirs yet, and just a handful with 50k. People who say they are junk mostly are 2nd Gens and the people with issues on the 3rd gens. Which brings me to my second point.
2. This forum and dealerships are full of people/vehicles with issues. I mean if you're a tech your job is to fix vehicles that need fixin', of course you see a bunch. But if even 50% of the ecoBoosts had major issues you'd be so busy that 4x the staff couldn't make a dent in the queue.

Most people are blissfully or obliviously driving around a vehicle with no serious issues, regardless of manufacturer.

 

Fair enough

 

To be fair I assume all computer users are bad at computers, but that's because I have a queue of tickets with people and their problems. Most people are probably fine, but I keep getting the knuckleheads

 

I think you'd have more issues with the drive train...

 

Isn't it pretty common for any turbo car or truck to need a new turbo around 100k miles. I thought that's just how long they lasted.
Also the only way a Ford ranger stands a chance at out selling a Tacoma is if they offer a super stripped down one that 3000 or more less than a Tacoma out the door price. It's a Ford so it probably won't be stripped down and it will get bought by mostly old men whose 90s and 2000s rangers are wore out.

 

There are two primary buyers for Tacomas, and this is one of them. Just sayin...

In all seriousness, don't underestimate the Ranger. The Colorado/Canyons took some market share, but nothing too serious. But the Ranger was a compact truck for the ages. And there's a lot of Ford fanboys.

Besides.....sorry to say it...but....Bronco is coming. And it might be pretty amazing. I have owned 3 Tacomas and never had a Ford, but that Bronco is looking sexy.

 

But TRD I thought did make them for mid 90's Toyota trucks cause I almost bought one for my 96 T-100 but I think they didn't sell enough so they stopped production..

 

Booooooost

 

I see you on both but theres only two problems. 1) No manufacturers have gone through the trouble to source a properly sized turbo and get it tuned to the point where we know its still reliable but makes more hp. There are a couple OPTIONS, but none of them seem to be proven to me. Certainly nothing from a well known manufacturer or even a well known tuning shop. SO yeah, while the ecoboost has little to no lag, thats because again higher compression, lots of boost, and an engine that has a much lighter flywheel to allow the engine to spin up itself easier, which helps the turbos. In all, Ford has probably spent hundreds of thousands of dollars designing just the turbo system like the piping, manifold, placement of sensors, etc that went into the ecoboost engines if not a lot more. THATS why they don't lag.

While I see what you are saying about the exhaust, you realize that the very nature of an exponential decrease is that its whatever the linear increase is multiplied by itself? Meaning that whatever linear increase in mass you might get is going to be more than offset by the exponential loss of energy through heat dissipation. I wish that a turbo setup seemed viable, but for this truck a supercharger just seems a better fit... Especially with most of the complaints being about low end torque with this engine, superchargers help that while a turbo actually makes it slightly worse until they spin up.

 

Any motor can turn a turbo.

They don't tell you to watch for failing turbos when you buy them. That's not smart selling. They are known for some issues. Especially the older gens.

Don't get me wrong. I love the Eco boost motor. Just when mechanics warn you off a certain motor you kind of listen since it's there profession.

 

Explain? I understood it was the opposite.

 

Never said it wouldn't turn. But the lag would be even worse than normal because that's how a turbo works, it is spun from exhaust. If the engine isn't spinning up then neither will the turbo.

 

I've seen holsets with 500k miles pulled from junkyards and swapped to a dsm pushing 500whp.

Mitsubishi turbos can Outlast the motor. I have one pushing 400whp spinning to 36psi for over 10 years and over 100k miles. Still solid as a rock.

 

sc are driven by a belt and therefore restricted by how fast the belt can turn, they do typically make more power down low because they are designed to operate at lower rpms (the sc rpms not necessarily engine rpms) as long as a turbo isn't so small it eventually restricts the engine in upper rpms, it can make more boost and because of that more power (if the engine can handle it) because it operates and substantially higher rpms driven off the exhaust

 

So the 3rd gen motor doesn't spin? Doesn't create exhaust? How does a 7.8:1 compression 143ci 2.0l 4 banger turn a 950hp 90mm turbo?

Turbos spool up so fast now the exhaust your spewing out your mouth would spin a turbo.

A good ball bearing turbo would be adding power from 2k rpms and up.