Turbo/Hybrid good for longevity and reliability?

One of the most magical joys of owning a turbo car is wondering when the fluids go missing from the engine are they being burned off, are they getting mixed together where you can’t see, or are they just leaking out from multiple failed seals?

 

Like a little emotional brat lashing out. Nothing to actually say about the discussion. Just feelings. Too funny.
As if spouting all caps and telling people to STFU isn’t going to get a nasty response. SMH.

 

Welcome to the 4th gen forum Ladies and Gentlemen!

 

You started the very first post with a one sentence opinion and nothing factual to back it up. No links to any pertinent articles, no data, nothing

Now you're saying that the burden of proof is on those that disagree with you? That's literally the definition of a childish dumpster fire thread.

You deserve all the morons coming in here and arguing with you, try harder next time

 

As the thread went on a said the turbo and the battery pack will not out live the motor. Fact Therefore the long term reliability as compared to the previous generation will not be as good. Fact. Cost of ownership will also increase if someone wants to keep their truck 250K plus. These are not opinions. They are absolute truths. Looks like you might the one that needs to try harder.

 

Great, then why is the title of this thread a question?

You're claiming "everybody else doesn't want to have a discussion" but your very first post makes it clear you aren't interested in any discussion. You're taking your own inability to debate and projecting it onto everyone else. If you're wondering why your thread is 12 pages of bullshit, look in the mirror

You're trolling. Grow up

 

All I could do is make my point clearer and clearer as the thread moved forward. I made my point pretty clear by the end of the first page. Can’t help it if people don’t read past the first post. BTW I believe most if not all did read past the first post but are just trying to win the debate on some half assed technicality because my very first post was not clear enough. I rectified that very fast. You have made multiple comments throughout this thread so I know you read past the first post. I will say it yet again. I believe the questions and concerns I have made more than clear in this thread are reasonable and valid. All anyone who disagrees has to do is tell me exactly why I am wrong with specifics. Pretty simple.

 

I guess I misunderstood the intent of your thread. Carry on

 

I agree with most your points, except for the fact that Toyota has a veritable shit ton of experience with turbo’d motors.

Nearly every one of their legendary 4x4 off-road flagships (Hilux, LC 70 series, LC Prado, etc) have used a turbo diesel motor for the last 30+ years to traverse the most remote & inhospitable parts of the world.

Toyota knows how to build a reliable turbocharged motor. Agree with just about everything else you said, tho.

 

Why are you guys throwing in hybrid battery replacement cost? I have no idea the longevity of hybrid battery but assume it last longer then a standard car battery. Most vehicle batteries I've had in past lasted three to four years. A lot depend on winter weather and how cold it gets at night. But is the hybrid battery a different animal all together?

Actually replacement at 150,000 miles is not a bad deal. Unless I'm under estimating the cost, which to be honest I have no clue. From the look of the battery under the back seat it doesn't look that big so I'm assuming it might run $140 or so. Again just a guess.

 

Beats me....the warranty on them is going to cover 75% of the people out there and in 10 year I am sure there will be a cheaper replacement or SSB alternate.

 

Sorry to bump an older thread but I started researching this truck and the new hybrid powertrain definitely is concerning for me. The OP has a perfectly valid point and it's sad to see folks ragging on him for not presenting a full academic thesis with sources and numbers to support a fairly common sense question.

While I have no doubt these i-Force powertrains will likely go 200K for many owners, it's also a fact that the addition of more/complex components WILL always impact overall reliability. Slapping on a turbo and hybrid battery pack WILL increase the chance of a failure, even if no one is tracking the data. Personally, I'm not a fan of Toyota forcing the inclusion of hybrid powertrains on almost all their new models nowadays.

On a technical level, I'm not so concerned about the turbo which can usually be DIY repaired fairly easily by swapping the cartridge. Modern turbos are indeed fairly robust. But what is a concern is the battery pack. Not sure if they are using Li-Ion or Ni-Mh, but if it's a Li-Ion it's pretty much guaranteed they will be no good after 15-20 years because they naturally degrade with time even when unused. This is a scientific fact. The only reason we're not seeing more of these 20 year failure is because EVs and most hybrids haven't been out that long yet. Other disadvantage of hybrid technology is you can't be leaving the vehicle unattended for months at a time, which will deplete the battery and cause permanent damage. There are inherently more things for owners to pay attention to if they want to keep their hybrid system working long term.

I do wonder if when (not if) these hybrid systems fail, is it possible to simply remove them from the vehicle completely? That would alleviate alot of the concerns.

 

The battery pack is 1.8kwh. You can buy that much storage for $300 today, let alone in 20 years