Turbo/Hybrid good for longevity and reliability?

All these points are SPOT ON 100% CORRECT!

Reading some of these threads and posts, you’d think Toyota just slapped a turbo on a regular ol’ 4 banger not designed for forced induction. And you wouldn’t think that Toyota has been making Hybrid power trains for 20+ years.

Toyota Hybrid power trains are super reliable. As are modern turbocharged engines. End of discussion…..

 

The turbo in my RDX is still spinning strong after 154k miles. Even if it fails I can find another for a few hundred bucks.

 

Toyota's battery/hybrid system warranty (assuming this applies to the Tacoma)

 

I know 3 people who have 250K + miles on their 2nd generation Prius’s (Priii??) still on the stock hybrid batteries and still getting 40+ MPG.
So, no, it’s not common knowledge to many

 

The turbo in my 2005 WRX made it to almost 200K miles, and was still working fine but I decided to pull it and upgrade to a bigger one .

 

Direct injection turbos can have fuel dilution issues, which could impact longevity. Since Toyota also incorporates port injection I dont know how much of an issue it is with the 2.4T. I havent seen any reports of that, but the highlander and Lexus crowd are less attuned to study things like that than a Tacoma owner . We'll find out next year for sure.

 

Sure. Whatever you say. People keeping their trucks long term will most likely have to pay big money to replace the turbo and batteries but no big deal. Laughable comment by you.

 

I understand. Just can’t see how no one has any concerns with a change that will do things like hurt resale or trade in vehicles at say 140K or more. Didn’t have to worry about this before last week. This concern is not even worth mentioning? I know you are not acting like it is zero concern but other are.

 

The way I see this thread there is two extremes.

the first are getting mad at questioning any concern for reliability at all.

The second are getting mad for the folks not saying the truck will break at 150k.


The facts is there is no concern for the hybrid imo, Toyota has the hybrid game down. Historically their hybrids last a long time. The turbos we don’t really know for sure Toyota does not have a bunch of experience with those. Honda for sure has great turbos that can last 200k+. I believe the turbo for Toyota will also last 200k+ based on their QC but we won’t know for sure until a few years pass.

the problem was your original post is you asked a question (is it good for reliability) then flat out answered (it’s not) when you don’t even know. Hybrids are very reliable (I thought more reliable than NA, since they lack a serpentine belt/pulley) — why else would Toyota give a 150k warranty on the battery/hybrid system, and only 60k on NA systems? The hybrid turbo combo no one knows for sure.

 

I clarified my specific concerns before we got to the bottom of page 1. It was obvious I was talking long term reliability not overall reliability at that point. I have no issue people questioning my first post. Hence quickly stated my specific concerns. I also addressed I was talking about those who keep their trucks a long time. Didn’t matter. Some just don’t want to hear it. Apparently it ruins the new truck vibe they are feeling. I have known people to buy a Tacoma truck at 150K and saying this thing could easily go to 300K with no issues and very little money out of pocket. Most were correct. That confidence isn’t going to change knowing they will most likely will be replacing a turbo and battery pack on their way to 300K?

 

It's not "blindly defending" when there are millions of turbos and hybrids out there to prove the technology works great.
Don't be afraid of new tech.

 

I have a 2023 TRD Sport V6. Just hit 5k mikes. Compared to my Ford 2012 Eco boost, this trucks quality is superior. The Ford Eco with the twin turbo disintegrated oil into muck. Was told by many they run so hot internally the oil breaks down. I found that true. So I sold that truck and replaced it with a V6 no turbo. I hope the 4th generation engines in the Tacoma are better than Fords Eco Boost. We will get some answers soon.

 

I am not afraid of new tech. I have only owned Toyota trucks for 30 years and love them. I am concerned for the owners who have a new Gen truck between say 140K and 300K. The experience and cost of ownership will be different now. Can’t see how it wouldn’t.

 

I’m with you man 100%.

I don’t see how questioning the long term reliability with this new platform is a ridiculous question to ask. Will it be just as reliable as the old V6s? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell. All these guys jumping on the new platform bandwagon just ain’t my thing. Buying a new gen ANYTHING is usually a recipe for disaster. Let’s see how these new trucks are down the road 3-5 years.

 

My experience with many turbo vehicles over the decades has not involved any extra maintenance. Use good oil and change it on time. That's it.
Turbos = more torque and better MPG. I'm a big fan.
Resale values on old Prius models and other hybrids are still very strong, even with tons of miles. Even a well used battery still has benefits.

Of course there could be unforseen issues. I'm sure many owners of previous Tacomas didn't expect to need their frames replaced. But we can't claim new technology will be an issue just because it's different. If you're worried about it, then stick with the V6; there will be plenty of good ones for sale when the 4G starts rolling out.

All that said, I'm not surprised to see polarization about the 4G on TW. The Tacoma attracts people from a wide array of backgrounds and demographics. The debate is probably healthy if we don't get entrenched in dogma.

 

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Fine to question it, but there are a lot of people around here who aren't keeping an open mind about it. Lots of people saying turbos kill engines, or the maintenance is terrible, etc, etc.
I'm not jumping on any bandwagon - I've been a fan of turbos for decades. I think many of us are excited for more power and more MPG.

 

gotcha I see your point, with the exception of my Honda civic I have always driven vehicles in that mile range (old kia, old Camry, old Crown Vic police car, my current Nissan Frontier etc...). the reason why NA engines are reliable is because we have been doing them for so long. Back in the 80s/90s it was not uncommon to see broken down cars on the highways daily, you rarely see that now, NA used to be unreliable too. We are getting to the point where turbos are no longer unreliable with many can make 200k+ and probably 300k, and if they don't that's the name of the game of buying an old truck some break down, some don't. Some people bought a 150k Tacoma (NA engine) and then later realized the frame needed replacing.

There is always going to be a risk when doing some thing new (NA -> Turbo) but I think in 2023 there is enough data for engineers to build a turbo that will last 200-300k+, and I feel people are still holding on the the stigma that they are unreliable, and ofc Toyota engineers will reverse engineers other turbos from other manufacturers who have been doing it a long time and take notes, and study to avoid the past mistakes of other manufactures who were early adopters of turbos.

 

I’m all about the new technology as well. My attitude is we have to wait and see on reliability and longevity. I bought my 08 brand new. Still have it 15 years later. When I buy a vehicle I keep it for at least 5-10 years.

 

I'm in the same boat. Keep my vehicles for a long time. (I just have too many vehicles )
But it's not like we're talking about Jaguars here.... I don't think Toyota would risk the reputation of one of their cash cows without being damn sure of the reliability. I wouldn't be afraid to upgrade.

 

‘This isn’t about the turbo killing the engine. It is about those who like to keep their trucks a long time needing to replace an expensive turbo. Same goes for the battery pack. These are new expenses we didn’t have to worry about before this new Gen. Can you imagine when someone goes into the dealership for a trade in on there new Gen Tacoma and it has 140K. You don’t think they will say” Well turbos are rated to last about 150K so we will have to give you a lot less than you were hoping”. Same goes for the battery pack. As far as the frame recall? Those were replaced for free. Big difference.