TW member vandalizing TOTW

No no no, i drive a good truck jk

 

Nice to see @TorconTRD is taking care of it.

 

You are welcome for the diversion tactic

 

Whew, just think if he would have done something to his truck that scraped and ground a rock into his rear fender, scratching the rock in the process. Hate graffiti on places in the middle of nowhere, but I feel that people got WAY out of hand in this thread. I waited until things got cleared up to post anything, but what a bunch pack mentality bull shit, really? So much more in this world to get that upset about, yeah it's wrong, but it's a rock. We scrape our trucks through these trails marking the natural obstacles along the way, on purpose, and no one through a hissy fit. Then oil on the trail from carnage, no one jumps up and down and screams for death of the individual. For your own sake, relax.

 

Nice try dude

 

Not sure if this is allowed so moderators please let me know if not and I will delete. I thought this was relevant to this thread and the potential threats to the trails we enjoy.

I got an email last week from friends who enjoy riding dirt bikes and off-roading in southwest Colorado and Moab area and was asked to sign and spread the word about this petition.

If you guys could sign the petition supporting NO national monuments in and around the Moab area, it will help support the cause. we stand to loose a ton of riding area if this goes thru. basically everything from green river to the az border, all of southeastern utah.pass it on to others if you can, there are not enough riders in the moab area to defend thier cause and need outside help!! thanks

We have 2 petitions for you to review and sign. This will only take 30 seconds to do. HURRY We only have 30 days to get 100,000 signatures. If everyone who gets this email signs the petitions we will hit that number and the White House will be obligated to formally respond.

Petition 1: No Monument Without Formal Local Support
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tions-without-congressional-and-state-support

Petition 2: No Bears Ears National Monument
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ignation-bears-ears-region-south-eastern-utah

 

Not that it matters but I don't believe you. I called this morning and talked to the secretary at 7:45. She said to me that Myles wasn't in but I could leave him a VM. I did that as I stated earlier in this thread. It was not difficult to get through as the office is very small. I also got a call from the park ranger since I have photos of one of the offenders vehicle. I would think of you guys did contact them they would not be contacting me.

Edit...Maybe I know more than you as well but a local JEEP club is going to clean it up for you. Maybe you guys could donate some money to Tread Lightly in good faith and tag the $100 bills.

 

If you guys think he's actually going to drive 14 hours to clean this up, solely to please a few internet forums, you've got another thing coming

 

Agreed.

If you angry people were this concerned about elections, our land and trails wouldn't be so regulated in the first place.

 

All that comes to mind is "He who has commited no sin, should cast the first stone". We have all made mistakes. Nothing will make this right, the clean up will do more harm than good, but may well be the only solution. I myself have been disgusted upon my return to trails that were once pristine and only a few years later were devoid of trees/shrubs etc. Some would argue well that the only solution is no wheeling at all.. I'm even more suprised/disappointed with the moderators weighing in on this.. Really it comes down to education, lets see to it the new younger members get taught what "Tread lightly" really means to all of us..

Good luck..

 

I've been going to Queen Valley here in AZ for target shooting since 2005 or so. To be honest, I'm surprised that whole area hasn't been shut down. The place is absolutely trashed. Nobody stays on the maintained trails with their OHVs, people shoot anything they can put in their sights (signs, cactus, trees, etc.), and there are shitpiles of trash everywhere. Every time I leave I end up filling the bed of my truck nearly full of trash. They even put a dumpster out there near the entrance and people STILL leave crap all over. So it's tough for me to condemn someone for writing on a rock. Nobody died, nothing went extinct, the sun still came up the next day. The ones involved admitted wrongdoing and appear willing to correct the situation in any way they can. Seems like a decent way for the story to end.

 

I'm dealing with it now, don't piss on me because I see fault in some of your statements.. As a moderator you should be above a common retoric, seemingly you're unable. My issue isn't bringing this up as a concern.. My issue is the "TOO" people (The op, you, others) getting too upset and being too good for the rest of us.. My point is we need to educate not prosecute.. Perhaps this to, eludes you..

I'm a little confused by a few of your statements, we're even.. As a "former Tread Lightly trainer" I'm amazed you haven't spearheaded the initiative and started a sticky titled "Tread lightly the How to".. in it you could mention things like how its all of our responsibility to step up and pitch in, carry the weak etc. You touched a great point with "bring along spare bag and pick up some trash" but what about "we all carry a pull strap, how about a spill kit"??

Where's the "Tread Lightly" section?? As a responsible supporter of offroading I'm looking forward to you getting this educational process underfoot here at TW..

Thankyou..

 

You're forgetting one thing, wheeling where he was at was LEGAL. With that, there are understandings that rocks will get tire marks, paint may get rubbed off on an obstacle, etc. There is also the understanding and laws, if you spill oil clean it up, stay on the trail, pack out what you pack in etc.

Graffiti however, is not Legal no matter how you try to spin it.

We have been lucky enough to have these trails available to us that people drive/fly thousands of miles to use, if people come and show no respect, these areas are going to close and no one will get to use it.

I'm not arguing that some may have taken it too far, but it is a serious matter when millions of dollars a year are fighting to keep these areas available to us all.

If we as a group do not care if the rules & laws we have been given are followed, then why should we as a group be able to use it.

Education can be self taught and I think we can all agree adults know graffiti is illegal.

At worst, read the big ole' sign when entering a state/national park which is there to be read or look it up online beforehand.

 

Awesome.. Cudos!!! Heaps of praise.. How come I couldn't find it?? It should be top of page one..

Apologies..

 

It's f'n stickied. What more would you like?

 

Damn right

 

Chances are if he knows your # he can find where you live. Just saying, not trying to bump it to .2%.

 

@Acerwin that didnt take too long after we discussed it this morning did it?