Update..Toyota dealership is holding my 2017 TRD 4x4

Cheap unskilled labor? Cite sources for that. I do not believe Toyota lowers their manufacturing standards based on country of origin or ethnicity of work force. Geez.

 

I've been to Baja many times. And Mainland Mexico. That In itself isn't a testament to manufacturing standards. But in Mexico the mindset is to " cut corners" since are they are not as wealthy as the 1st world. In Baja houses get started and buildings get started as a construction project and when funding runs out, simply abandoned. I've had my car worked on down there at a " mechanic" my 3000GT was on a tree stump sitting as a jackstand while my clutch was being replaced. That's how it works down there.

 

I see nothing wrong with asking Toyota to stand behind their product by extending the warranty due to an early pretty important part failure. It would for sure make me question the quality of the rest of the truck. And I doubt that will break the bank of yota.

 

I don't see that as authoritative of what Toyota's standards are in that plant nor the quality of the workforce in that plant. If you go to Tokyo, I bet they say the same things about Toyotas made in US plants (oh, those fat, lazy, entitled Americans sit on their fat, lazy asses and tighten a bolt all day)...I am just not buying it without proof. From my reading through the threads, no one has put together any proof that a 2016 or 2017 Tacoma manufactured in San Antonio vs. Baja has any higher incidence of being lemon lawed or anything else. Too often, I believe these kinds of statements are just "cover" for bias and prejudice. My 2 pesos anyway.

 

Hold on a min, your telling me that Americans are not fat lazy asses?

 

That's how it works down there when people don't pay. Because in Baja when there not payed they stop working, just like here.
I watched my home in Palmilla be built . Hard working people building a beautiful home next to a luxury golf course. The people who work at Palmilla are very hard working honest people who only ask to be paid. They don't ask for extra because they need to be made happy . They just want what's coming to them. That's Baja .
Believe me , no corners were cut or tried to be cut . They did what they said they would do and continue to do so.

It has nothing to do with $. The dealership and manufacturer did there job and fixed the vehicle under warranty. I would say " thank you ".
They owe nothing more. Why would you ask for something not due you? It's a contract like any other contract. It's there to keep both party's protected. There are laws such as a lemon law to protect owners if something is a continuous on going problem in the future. So far and very likely this is not an ongoing problem.
But there's not a person here with a contract that would not want it to be honored .
Why ask for something not due you.

 

Well, there was an oil "seepage" in rav4s that was definitively linked to Canadian built rav4s. On rav4world anyway. Tons of folk with Canadian built ravs had it and nobody with a Japanese built one did. Probably a parts sourcing issue and not a labor issue though.

As for the rest of this thread, you guys whine more than the rear diff on a 3rd gen. Quit acting like victims. You act like no car has ever had an issue in the warranty period before. Since diffs aren't exploding left and right it probably isn't even a mechanical problem, just an annoying characteristic.

 

Because it's a brand new truck and has an issue on a pretty dam important component. Does yota owe the extended warranty, no. Would it show a good faith effort on their part, yes. Would I push for an extended warranty if it was my truck with under 1,000 miles, your dam right I would.

 

I don't know about this my friend.

I believe in the internet age, consumers have never in the history of the earth been more powerful than they are today in driving quality and sales by having their voices and dollars vote. And that, imo, is free enterprise at work.. working exactly as it should[/QUOTE]

Is the internet age really driving quality????? If that was the case maybe this 3rd gen would not be having the types of problems it is having. As far as free enterprise working exactly as it should. Well I guess that depends on who you are. You sound like an business owner.

 

Is the internet age really driving quality????? If that was the case maybe this 3rd gen would not be having the types of problems it is having. As far as free enterprise working exactly as it should. Well I guess that depends on who you are. You sound like an business owner.[/QUOTE]

Actually, no. I am an independently wealthy Powerball winner so I no longer care about consumers, prices, quality, etc.

What I actually am is a software specialist for a major, Canadian software company (but born/raised/living in my beloved USA and therefore a USA citizen and patriot.) What I am not is a socialist, fascist or communist that believes we should rely on the government or anyone else to protect us from ourselves or our own lack of research or understanding of contracts, warranties or what free enterprise is. As others have noted in this thread. Our Tacos come with a good warranty. The dealership appears like they satisfied that contract. No idea why anyone is whining about that or looking to get more than what the warranty states is due the consumer.

Yes, I believe the internet, world wide web, forums, etc. all help in understanding what consumers want and helping provide companies the data to help drive both sales and quality.

 

Actually, no. I am an independently wealthy Powerball winner so I no longer care about consumers, prices, quality, etc.

What I actually am is a software specialist for a major, Canadian software company (but born/raised/living in my beloved USA and therefore a USA citizen and patriot.) What I am not is a socialist, fascist or capitalist that believes we should rely on the government or anyone else to protect us from ourselves or our own lack of research or understanding of contracts, warranties or what free enterprise is. As others have noted in this thread. Our Tacos come with a good warranty. The dealership appears like they satisfied that contract. No idea why anyone is whining about that or looking to get more than what the warranty states is due the consumer.

Yes, I believe the internet, world wide web, forums, etc. all help in understanding what consumers want and helping provide companies the data to help drive both sales and quality.[/QUOTE]

I like except for true capitalists do not depend on anyone to create wealth . They are truly the drivers of our economy.

But dittos well said

 

Man I have had nothing but the best service from toyota on the last 3 tacos I've owned. My 05 they just did a full frame replacement along with a ton of other components. Truck had 270000km on it. Total was around 17000$. Give them time to find and correct the issue. Maybe it will turn into a service bulletin for all the new trucks. I have around 600miles on my new one and it's been great. Same toyota quality I'm used to.

 

Fwiw my pos was built in Texas.

It's a Toyota issue not a cheap labor Mexico thing.

 

I like except for true capitalists do not depend on anyone to create wealth . They are truly the drivers of our economy.

But dittos well said[/QUOTE]
Argh.. that was a typo... meant 'communist' thanks for catching, I have corrected the post.

 

Argh.. that was a typo... meant 'communist' thanks for catching, I have corrected the post.[/QUOTE]

I kind of thought maybe was something like that . That's what honest clear thinking hard working capitalist brothers are for .

 

Actually, no. I am an independently wealthy Powerball winner so I no longer care about consumers, prices, quality, etc.

What I actually am is a software specialist for a major, Canadian software company (but born/raised/living in my beloved USA and therefore a USA citizen and patriot.) What I am not is a socialist, fascist or communist that believes we should rely on the government or anyone else to protect us from ourselves or our own lack of research or understanding of contracts, warranties or what free enterprise is. As others have noted in this thread. Our Tacos come with a good warranty. The dealership appears like they satisfied that contract. No idea why anyone is whining about that or looking to get more than what the warranty states is due the consumer.

Yes, I believe the internet, world wide web, forums, etc. all help in understanding what consumers want and helping provide companies the data to help drive both sales and quality.[/QUOTE]

Hey I don't believe in a lot of government in private citizens life's either; however, I do believe the government should play an roll in ensuring the rights of the consumer is protected. Entirely too many shady businesses embracing shady business practices. Take health care for instance in this country. Why do you think our government cant implement a health care in this country. There are several reasons but one of the main ones is $$$$$$$$$ and greed. Have you been to a doctor lately? I just went to the doctor for a knee XRAY. It all took about 20 minutes including talking to the doctor and they billed my insurance company $927.00. To make even worse they could not tell me what was wrong with my knee. Sounds just like Toyota warranty work or maintenance work. This is why I did not buy that extended warranty product. What is the point of buying it if they are not going to honor it or just flat out bullshit you. Hell, if a company makes a good quality product and stands by it why would you need an extended warranty. That goes for anything not just cars. I don't know about you but time is money when it comes to me. I don't like sitting in no dealership for 4 hours just for some technician or service manager to tell me we cant replicate the problem

Again, I am not a big on government either, but I do feel government should play a role in protecting the consumer for the simple fact there are just too many shady azz businesses who see one thing and one thing only that all mighty dollar. No one gives a shit about doing a good job anymore or paying attention to detail. It use to be you could find a mechanic to work on your car who treated it like it was his car. Not anymore





Even people with good health insurance

 

Hey I don't believe in a lot of government in private citizens life's either; however, I do believe the government should play an roll in ensuring the rights of the consumer is protected. Entirely too many shady businesses embracing shady business practices. Take health care for instance in this country. Why do you think our government cant implement a health care in this country. There are several reasons but one of the main ones is $$$$$$$$$ and greed. Have you been to a doctor lately? I just went to the doctor for a knee XRAY. It all took about 20 minutes including talking to the doctor and they billed my insurance company $927.00. To make even worse they could not tell me what was wrong with my knee. Sounds just like Toyota warranty work or maintenance work. This is why I did not buy that extended warranty product. What is the point of buying it if they are not going to honor it or just flat out bullshit you. Hell, if a company makes a good quality product and stands by it why would you need an extended warranty. That goes for anything not just cars. I don't know about you but time is money when it comes to me. I don't like sitting in no dealership for 4 hours just for some technician or service manager to tell me we cant replicate the problem

Again, I am not a big on government either, but I do feel government should play a role in protecting the consumer for the simple fact there are just too many shady azz businesses who see one thing and one thing only that all mighty dollar. No one gives a shit about doing a good job anymore or paying attention to detail. It use to be you could find a mechanic to work on your car who treated it like it was his car. Not anymore





Even people with good health insurance[/QUOTE]
I respect your opinion. But I disagree. Sure, there are government protections like the lemon laws...as there should be. But expecting the govt to protect consumers from every transaction flies in the face if free enterprise, capitalism and, perhaps most importantly, our individual freedom.
By the way, I ain't some right winger...I am a moderate Independent. Liberal on social issues, relatively conservative on economic issues. The market almost always works well without govt as the market will almost always gravitate to good corporate citizens since consumers tend to gravitate to the same. The market works in the long term/long view.

 

Hey, sorry if this has been asked but is this the guy that had his motor go out after a few hundred miles? Is this another issue, hence the new thread? Again, just getting back from work and this looks familiar.

 

Hey I don't believe in a lot of government in private citizens life's either; however, I do believe the government should play an roll in ensuring the rights of the consumer is protected. Entirely too many shady businesses embracing shady business practices. Take health care for instance in this country. Why do you think our government cant implement a health care in this country. There are several reasons but one of the main ones is $$$$$$$$$ and greed. Have you been to a doctor lately? I just went to the doctor for a knee XRAY. It all took about 20 minutes including talking to the doctor and they billed my insurance company $927.00. To make even worse they could not tell me what was wrong with my knee. Sounds just like Toyota warranty work or maintenance work. This is why I did not buy that extended warranty product. What is the point of buying it if they are not going to honor it or just flat out bullshit you. Hell, if a company makes a good quality product and stands by it why would you need an extended warranty. That goes for anything not just cars. I don't know about you but time is money when it comes to me. I don't like sitting in no dealership for 4 hours just for some technician or service manager to tell me we cant replicate the problem

Again, I am not a big on government either, but I do feel government should play a role in protecting the consumer for the simple fact there are just too many shady azz businesses who see one thing and one thing only that all mighty dollar. No one gives a shit about doing a good job anymore or paying attention to detail. It use to be you could find a mechanic to work on your car who treated it like it was his car. Not anymore





Even people with good health insurance[/QUOTE]

You need or want warranties for the same reason you need health insurance . Knock on wood you never use it. But it's there if something goes wrong.
Does not matter how healthy you are or how well built something is . Eventually either sooner or later things happen.
I buy warranties on something I plan on keeping and on something that would sting if I had to replace it.
I've owned Toyotas for ....well a very long time . I buy Toyotas because there great vehicles built by a great company.