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US-Mexico Drug War

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by neontrail, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. Mar 15, 2009 at 10:07 AM
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    What do you do for a living? What are your credentials? And if your such an expert we would all like to hear how you think this tragedy should end?

    Bottom line is current policies, current operations have done nothing to stop this violence, nothing to hinder the drug trade. Something different has to be done. I don't think hard drugs will ever be legalized here in Canada or in the US. Marijuana for sure will be, hopefully sooner then later, and that will take a large chuck of change away from the criminals. But there needs to be a shift in how we treat addiction, from criminal justice system into the health system. Those people are sick and should be treated as such.
     
  2. Apr 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM
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    This especially sucks for me being that i live near Nuevo Laredo being the biggest in gang\drug related activity!
     
  3. Apr 4, 2009 at 5:31 PM
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    We will never ever win the war on drugs. But by all means, send some help down to help the violence that has been going on.
     
  4. Sep 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM
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    let them cross!! you know everyone doesw them!! haha
     
  5. Sep 13, 2009 at 12:01 PM
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    Looks like Mexico is taking the first baby steps in stoping the drug wars and that is to legalize personal amounts of drugs, marijuana and cocaine. Like many other Central and South American countries that have already successfully legalized drugs. It probably won't do much to stop the violence however it is a step in the right direction!
     
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  7. Sep 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM
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    Solution... 20 ft high reinforced concrete wall (along the entire border, exept where rio grand runs) 100 yards on either side 20 foot electric, razor wire fence, in between, LANDMINES (bouncing betties). Warning signs (english, spanish, chinese, etc) with pictures. Every 500 yard sniper towers (Marine force sniper training??) Every 1000 yards cameras with infared. And predator drone patrols circling 24/7...

    Keep legal border crossings open though

    Does anyone ever close the North Korea/South Korean demilitarized zone? Not many, why LANDMINES!

    Actually I was just thinking out ironic this might be considering this wall will more than likely be built by migrant workers...
     
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    Maybe we won't need the snipers just equip the predator with hellfire missiles and call it a day

    If illegals manage to run this gambit then INS should be standing there with their citizenship in hand... because that would be amazing
     
  10. Sep 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM
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    Can you say, "Self cleaning oven." Let the crooks eliminate each other until we can help clean up the decaying waste.

    Also, the whole demand for drugs here certainly doesn't help us or them. Now if we could get the demand thing down that would help but where do you begin? Unfortunately I think the general message here in the states supports things like 'medical marijuana.' I certainly don't know how and it will last forever. My grandfather was a G-man during the 20's-40's (NYC) main focus on alcohol (during prohibition), opium and hash. He had to go a different way home every night and they could never bring the big guys to a police station for fear of being executed on the to the police station. They would take 'em to some po-dunk hotel until they could safely 'bring them in.' Same 'war', different time.
     
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    you could also contaminate the supply, ie introduce a tainted/poisonous product into the market, thus creating ambiguty into which product is safe, making people fear the product. Lots of people may die at first (but hey, less tweakers). That should drive down demand... especially if you can't determine if the drugs they bought was the contaminated stuff.
     
  12. Sep 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM
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    Oh I think this problem dates way back before any of us. Remember that food is a drug to many and people do kill over the supply of it. Look at the criminal activity in African nations that stems from supply of food. As a confirmed capitalist, my solution would be a good economy where everyone had a fair shake.

    In one way they had something like that in the 70's. It was called Paraquat.

    "Paraquat pot"

    During the late 1970s, a controversial program sponsored by the US government sprayed paraquat on marijuana fields in Mexico.[8] Since much of this marijuana was subsequently smoked by Americans, the US government's "Paraquat Pot" program stirred much debate. Perhaps in an attempt to deter people from using marijuana, representatives of the program warned that spraying rendered the crop unsafe to smoke.
    However, independent bodies have studied paraquat in this use. Jenny Pronczuk de Garbino, stated: "no lung or other injury in marijuana users has ever been attributed to paraquat contamination". Also a United States Environmental Protection Agency manual states: "... toxic effects caused by this mechanism have been either very rare or nonexistent. Most paraquat that contaminates marijuana is pyrolyzed during smoking to dipyridyl, which is a product of combustion of the leaf material itself (including marijuana) and presents little toxic hazard."
     
  13. Sep 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM
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    The only thing that stopped the war of prohibition was legalizing and taxing alcohol. Throwing billions and billions of dollars every year for the last 40 years hasn't done anything to stop the illegal drug trade. Like Einstein said, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Marijuana has the highest profit margin for the drug cartels, it costs them nothing to produce, and the more it is criminalized the higher they can sell it for. Name any legal product that is worth $2600-$4000/LB. Legalize and tax marijuana, cut the profits out from under the competition ie, the cartels. And focus law enforcement budgets on hard drugs like cocaine and methamphetamine. 99% of marijuana users would buy marijuana from a licensed source similar to alcohol and cigarettes.
     

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