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Vegan/Animal Rights Thread

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Sequoia1321, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. Sep 7, 2019 at 12:00 PM
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  2. Sep 7, 2019 at 12:30 PM
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    Trapping is trapping. That's why it's called.............trapping and not hunting.

    Humane? Define humane. Maybe you haven't noticed but the natural world is far from "humane". And it sure is hell ain't a Disney movie.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2019 at 1:17 PM
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    some people live in a Disney movie...;)
     
  4. Sep 7, 2019 at 2:31 PM
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    Having done some control trapping, I can tell you the "enlightened" become blood thirsty once they are personally affected by uncontrolled wildlife. Have some beavers dam a small creek you didn't even know was behind your property, and flood a dozen backyards, plus start killing trees you thought you'd have forever, and the calls for trapping come pretty quick. Trash pandas are cute on facebook, but in real life when they start causing real damage to your property, the call to go comes pretty quick.

    I find most of those against don't even know anything about it. They think traps are some sharp teethed bear trap they've seen in a cartoon. Take them out and show them you can release animals from leg hold traps unharmed and they're speechless. And usually hooked. Conibears are different, but if the right size is used, usually cause death instantly.

    Controlling wildlife ethically and responsibly should be the goal. Not just banning things because it sounds like something bad.

    I'll get off my soapbox, I just get tired of people against things they know nothing about. Kinda like hunting. Education is the key.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2019 at 3:00 PM
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  6. Sep 7, 2019 at 4:42 PM
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    Used to trap a lot in the mid to late 70's. The one farm we trapped was my friends uncles. There was a beagle that would constantly get into our sets. He would sit and wait for us, we would release him, he'd follow us as we checked the rest of the line. There was also a large orange male tabby. He wasn't so pleasant. Usually had to throw my jacket over him, straddle the trapped paw, and release him. First couple of time he was pissed and wanted to have a go....Tossed him some sardines (bait for the traps) and he would take the free meal. He'd follow us for a bit, hoping to snag another snack. Was hard work, running a line. But we cleared $250-300/month each during November, December and January.

    Controlled crop damage by coons, poultry predation by foxes..... First few years we trapped in wasn't unusual to quite a few foxes all manged up. After thinning the population a bit, it became a rarity.
     
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  7. Sep 7, 2019 at 5:39 PM
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    We should care about humane conditions for humans, yes. Now, I don't like cruelty to animals, but killing animals to eat or to help control their population is part of being on the top of the food chain. And it's our job as stewards of this planet.
     
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  8. Sep 7, 2019 at 5:55 PM
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    I agree and never said I didn’t. I’m not smart enough (don’t really care to be) to understand animal population control. Some traps (since we are on that subject), some hunters, and most factory farming I don’t necessarily agree with.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2019 at 6:05 PM
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    I don’t love kill traps, the rest are good to go
     
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    Hard to trap beaver without it.

    You don't know, you don't want to know, but you don't agree with. Gotcha. What's the point of even discussing then.
     
  11. Sep 7, 2019 at 6:09 PM
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    I should say dry land kill traps, snares and coni buckets, I like to be able to release small, in harmed game (not coyotes).

    Kill sets in the water are fine, not gonna catch a lion swimming in the creek too often.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2019 at 6:11 PM
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    Well, factory farming feeds millions of people that don't know how to hunt...hunters can feed themselves. Either way, it's about feeding a human population who, without enough food, will go into a frenzy and we would have total revolt. You've got to feed the people. It ain't always pretty, but it's necessary. Regulations do what they can to keep factory farming in check, but sometimes things get missed and that's just the price paid to feed the masses.

    As far as population control, just think of rats. We have to do what we can to keep them in check or they will take over and spread diseases that will kill us all. It's no different than any species. They can all do this if not held in check.
     
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    Yeah. I pretty much only use conibear for beaver in water or a bucket with a certain size opening in a very limited use area. Also strongly inform landowner what I'm using and what will happen if small pet gets in it.
     
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    I’ve never trapped water haha, still to the dry land critters
     
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    Hunting is everything wanted by those who claim to hate commercial farming. Organic, grass fed, free range, drug free, renewable source of protein. What's not to like.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    Jesus.

    Yes. I’m not a wildlife expert. I highly doubt you are either. I don’t have years to devote to become an expert. So yes. I don’t care to learn what happens if you remove x amount of deer or y amount of deer. Or introduce wolves to whatever location.

    Why can I not disagree with inhumane trapping and hunting without willing to become a wildlife expert. That’s got to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

    For the last time. I’m fine with hunting and trapping. Just not poor hunting and trapping methods.

    Make sure you actually read that last part.
     
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