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Water in door; how much is normal?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by tirediron, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:04 PM
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    Something I've been noticing for a while now is what seems to me, an excessive amount of water inside my doors. If the window is dry on the exterior and I lower and then raise it, it has a film of water on the outside, sort of like what you'd get if you washed it and then "dried" it with a slightly damp cloth. I tried, but couldn't get a photo to show it.

    Here's what it looks like inside the door:

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    Interior of the outside door skin, just below the bottom of the window with the window fully raised

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    Water on the back of the door speaker

    In the interests of full disclosure, there's been a LOT of rain in the area lately and the conditions have been good for generating humidity; cool nights (35 - 40f) and warmer days (40 - 50f). I also routinely notice water dripping from the weep holes at the bottom after a rain.

    Is this a normal Tacoma thing? I've certainly never noticed on any of my previous mid-size trucks or other vehicles...
     
  2. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM
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    Do you enter to the truck with wet shoes, coat etc often? Unless there is something wet inside the truck that releases a lot of water (like a wet coat), I dont think that much of condensation inside the cabin is normal. I have sit happening with snow, since you can easily carry snow inside the boots etc. and ambient temperature is below freezing, but with rain I dont know.

    Are there any wet spots on the carpet?
     
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  3. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM
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    This is normal, water passes by the window channel seal because its just felt, its not a actual seal for water.

    Air does not get in there though, so it doesnt dry out too fast when the water gets in. But, there are drain holes in the bottom of the door to let water out.
     
  4. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:51 PM
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    If I understand the question, I'm going to say NONE!!
    Dealer time.

    G.
     
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  5. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:53 PM
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    This is not dealer time, this is normal, if the seal on the window was water tight then the window would have a really hard time going up or down. The seal is fabric, it lets water past it, water will always get in there thats why they have drain holes in the doors, thats why there is a plastic vapor barrier between the door panel and the door.
     
  6. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:55 PM
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    Water on the speaker?? Really?

    G.
     
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  7. Jan 12, 2020 at 12:57 PM
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    That's the part that concerns me!
     
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    Yes, water on the speaker is normal and fine. The magnets on these speakers are sealed for one thing, the paper cones are treated to prevent water damage. Car speakers are designed for these environments.
     
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    Totally normal. You are lucky you didn’t pull 3 pounds of mud out of the door.
     
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    All car doors leak water onto the speakers. That’s why the OEM speakers have the drip shield on the upper surface, and some aftermarket speakers give you back-boxes or claim waterproofness.

    So much basic car knowledge was lost in the last couple decades. It used to be well known that water drains through your doors, hence the necessity of keeping the drain holes at the bottom of the doors clear. Those who did not keep the drains clear, got rotten, rusty doors.

    I think we need a new mandatory course in schools to cover stuff like this: “Random facts you should know about an automobile”......or some helpful shit like that.

    BTW OP: I’m not calling you out. I’m glad you asked this question to everyone’s benefit.
     
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    I blame cell phones for this one.... When I got my license we didnt have cell phones, you break down, you either fix it on the side of the road, or you walk to the nearest gas station. It forced many people to learn the basics of cars. Now if you break down, you just call AAA to pick you up.
     
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    In my own defence, this is the first vehicle I've ever had with the door speakers! I'm well aware that some moisture inside the door is normal, that the weep holes need to be kept open, etc, but I've never had a vehicle that would "wet" the windows when they're rolled up. If this is normal, I'm fine with it... just curiosity more than anything (and a reminder that for next year's FF I'll need to pull the door panels).
     
  13. Jan 12, 2020 at 1:35 PM
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    Also, things like plastic and galvanized body panels pretty much made body issues go away. If you owned a 1981 Nova, you knew about the door drains or your doors were history. I don’t think GM even painted the inside of the doors in the 80’s.

    Sweet looking cars though. The one I had was rad. Bright blue with white faux-leather interior. Bench seats front and back.
     
  14. Jan 12, 2020 at 1:36 PM
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    The only place you might rot the inside is the lower seam. You can actually pretty effectively fluid film that seam just by spraying in the weep holes.
     
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    Incorrect, and no need to yell.
     
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    It looks like condensation to me. I would guess the particular time you looked inside the doors was some sort of worst-case scenario. Ice cold sheet metal, and maybe several people in the car for a while? It’s hard to say, but I bet it’s not always like that.
     
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    Are you going to ask the dealer to make it stop raining?

    o_O

    probably not the first time they’ve been asked.
     
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    Truck has sat empty for aprox 20 hrs; over night temps got down to 35f, temp at time of picture was about 37f. I'm fairly confident that it's just the window seals and I'm not overly worried, 'though I have to admit, the water on the speaker seems wrong to me.
     
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    When I get home, I’ll photograph my OEM speakers and you’ll feel better about yours.
     
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    I was doing a water leak search & happened upon this post. !st gen here, however this may still be of help. One of the things we deal with is the plastic piece that runs under the window doesn't do its job, which is to seal between the rubber window seal & the door panel. Yours is way too new to be dealing with this, however it might be worth a looksee.
     
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