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Weird oil filter location on 4.0 V6

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Utard, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Jul 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM
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    If you increase the size of the filter to fit more filter media inside and arrange the media so that there is more surface area you are increasing the amount of material available to trap particles. This increases capacity without letting more stuff get through.

    All that said, just use a Toyota 90915-YZZD3 filter and call it a day.
     
  2. Jul 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM
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    I found through my VAST experience with the Tacoma, that it is best to change the oil every 3500 miles, while the filter is still good for up to 8000.

    The ergonomic viscosity of the synthetic motor oil more than compensates for the environmental impurities discharged via the oil filter... or am I the only one?
     
  3. Jul 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM
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    i just change mine every 5K with either conventional or synthetic blends, i use pureone filters from advanced auto, i never notice a difference whether newly changed or not
     
  4. Jul 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM
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    I've always pre-filled filters when they were thread-up, and not (of course) when they are sideways or down. I don't see the 4.0 filter as being particularly "remote", I've always thought of a remote filter as one connected by separate pipes and/or hoses. This one is distant from the oil pump, but not all that far.

    A filter could flow better with less restrictive media, OR with more filter media. "Better" filters do not necessarily mean just higher flow. You could also have better filtration with higher flow, if you have more filter surface area.
     
  5. Jul 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM
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    And yes, i meant like airhose for tools. I tried the cup method, I personally dont like it.
     
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    with some paper towels crammed in the cup. . . a spit cup for your truck!
     
  7. Jul 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM
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    Oil changes are up to me now that my free 4 are up haha. They threatened to void my warranty so I just let them do it.

    Does anyones dealer ship allow them to put synthetic in before 10000km even though vehicles off the lot come with synthetic now?
     
  8. Jul 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM
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    Oil filter location was one of the many reasons I started buying Tacoma's. I opened the hood and thought, someone was thinking when they designed this, and then they actually made it that way!

    I have a drain tube on mine. Just easier.
     
  9. Jul 8, 2012 at 2:13 PM
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    Red solo cup.....yeah hes your friend.
     
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    A hose is a great idea, especially if you have a skidplate.

    But even if not, how many times have you had a funnel slip when adding fluid?
    That oil filter cup is right over the serp belt.

    Adding a permanent hose routed to the bottom of the engine eliminates the potential for ruining the belt. Just plug the bottom of the hose with a screw so it doesn't drip oil between changes... you need to get under there anyways.
     
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    Ya know I never really looked at it closely. I just went out and realized the hoses I thought where oil lines are coolant lines (always thought the rubber hoses where for oil was cheesey).
     
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    Oil change intervals are 5000 miles or 8000 km.
    You don't need to change more frequently unless you are driving so little and for such short trips that you are having a condensation problem.
    The only recommendations for 3000 miles/5000km are from oil change places and other corporations that make their money on selling oil change products.

    No oil "breaks down" in less than 5,000 miles.
    There is some viscosity loss, but in most vehicles, there is not significant viscosity loss before 10,000 miles.
    You have a depletion of the additive package, and that is a problem, but again, it can be refreshed.

    With proper bypass filtration, and oil filter changes every 5,000 miles, a quality synthetic can be run 25,000, and even a conventional oil can be run 10,000.
     
  14. Jul 8, 2012 at 2:32 PM
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    Ya, it really is an awesome design.

    Toyota's not too smart though.... They went from this piece of genius back to the clusterfuck cartridge type filters on some of the newer engines.

    Back to going under the engine to change the filter, and it's no longer a simple spin-on so there's a cap and a spring and an o-ring to deal with.

    Guess who's going to be digging a lot of those parts out of their drain pans... and guess what parts Iffy Lube employees are going to neglect to change or reinstall.
     
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    Wtf?? Thats all bull s*** they cant do that...
     
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    Light starts blinking on engine start at 4500 or a little after to give you a heads up that you are approaching the 5000 mile change.

    The light will go on solid at 5000.


    Toyota used to recommend 7500 for normal service and 5000 for severe service.
    This started going away in 2003 or 2004 as the "Maintenance required" light was added during cluster redesigns.

    One thing GM did right and Toyota cheaped out on.
    Toyota's (and Ford's) light is a 5000 mile clock. Nothing more, nothing less.
    GM actually has some intelligence behind their OLM. While it doesn't and can't actually analyze the oil, it takes into consideration mileage, time, engine temperature, engine loading, engine RPM, fuel consumption, etc...

    On my Duramax, I had the OLM recommend oil changes as short as 8,000 miles, never less, and I had one change recommended at 12,000.
    Keep in mind... 10 quarts, makes a difference.
     
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    They can in Canada.
     
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    That GM one is a bullshit gauge.

    At my last job I had a pickup with this. I told my boss about this so I waited and when he toke it in for a change based on all that they said if we went over the 3000 miles it would void the warranty. I do know I drove that thing like a raped ape and it ended going for 7,500 miles before the light came on. So who knows? Its a good idea if they stand behind it.
     
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    The Tacoma 1GR-FE filter is not "remote" per se. Both the head and crankcase need oil. Putting the filter near the top of the engine is just as valid.

    This is a true "remote" oil filter installation, typically seen in racing applications where there's no space around the block to fit an oversized filter. Most race cars run a dry-sump system anyway, so it also makes sense to put the filter in a more accessible location.

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    Hydraulic systems don't like air inside, so it makes sense to pre-fill the filter. The engine oil system is practically open to the atmosphere, so it doesn't matter.

    The current 5000-mi filter change interval is good for the filter. The oil can last longer than 5000-mi, but it's hard to justify without testing. If you operated a commercial Tacoma fleet, in conjunction with Blackstone lab chemical analysis, you can probably work out a maintenance program to change the oil every 10,000 mi or even 15,000 mi. For a private vehicle it isn't worth the trouble.

    Only way to have a longer-life filter without sacrificing performance is to have twice the filtering media area (and practically twice the physical size). So far, however, all the aftermarket filters have smaller media areas than the Toyota OEM filter.
     
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    And 7500 was likely just fine.

    "Driving the piss out of it" may very well be easier on the oil.
    Certainly easier than something like taxi service with extended idling, but even taxi service is easier than "housewife stuff" where the engine rarely gets to full operating temperature.

    And as to the 3000 mile change interval, it doesn't matter what the dealership says. It's what the manufacturer and the owner's manual says.
    If it says to follow the OLM, the dealership can not void your warranty for following it.

    GM and Harley dealers are notorious for threatening to void warranties, but they'll never give it to you in writing because they know it's illegal.
     

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