What is the purpose of the 2024 MT having less power than the auto!.

60's Z-28's also were 302 cubic inches, same as Ford.

 

Lol.

 

So Toyota uses one 4 cylinder engine and (de)tunes it 4 ways. Clever. Hmmm, which flavor vanilla do you want?

 

Any of the ones that are better than the third gen option.

 

They may have done it so the clutch can handle the torque the turbo now produces. VW does the same thing with the Golf R- MT is down like 15-20hp on the 2.0 turbo 4 banger compared to the auto as the clutch starts slipping with more power. Guys that had tuned their VW GTI's (MK7 and newer generations) eventually had to get an aftermarket clutch to handle the extra power, otherwise the clutch would slip.
Toyota doing the same thing doesn't surprise me and would not deter me from buying the MT over the auto. Hell the only reason i got a Tacoma instead of any other truck was b/c it came with a MT.

 

MT tune produces 270 HP at 5400 and the AT does 278 at 6000. Does that mean the MT has a torque advantage in the mid to high range?

 

Yes, true. I will need to test drive the OR. I have no doubt they will be better. Just kinda guessing they won't be a whole lot better.

 

I wouldn't consider 5400 rpm near to midrange. I think the number people are more concerned about is torque and that happens a lot lower in 2024.

 

5400 is obviously high range. Hence I said mid to high range. Until we see dyno graphs it's hard to say how different the tunes are. Until that happens I'm not going to worry about 1700 vs 2800 rpm peak torque. My guess is they nerfed the torque a bit on the low end of the manual. I'm sure people will tune and find out if Toyota had a good reason for the minor downgrading.

 

That totally sucks about the higher rpm torque peak on the manual, if it was 1700 rpm it would be very easy to drive without a lot of shifting.

 

Damn. Point is all we know is where the peak numbers are. For all you know the manual makes 309 ft lbs from 1700 to 2799 rpm. Why make any judgements until the dyno graphs are out?

 

Logic says that is not likely. But I bet it is close to the AT version. I will be curious to see an official dyno chart too.

 

For sure, my bet is it will actually be down somewhat significantly vs the AT below 2800 rpm. But bemoaning 8 hp and where peak torque is before any graphs have been released or anyone has even driven one is dumb.

 

Man, I was trying to be optimistic for the MT guys lol. It will be interesting to see for sure, but Toyota has really neutered the MT option for everyone except SR buyers. There it will still be a nice upgrade for the base truck buyers over the AT motor.

 

Oh that's not what's dumb. What's dumb is dropping 8hp on a option that hardcore enthusiasts relish. There's your 'dumb'. You buy a manual to get away from all the B.S.. It's a direct connection to an experience that a manual transmission driver revels in. Then you get this nonsense. My take take is that a manual trans driver will notice an 8hp drop. An auto driver won't.

 

Good point

 

Well all I really care about is if it's an improvement over my 3rd gen powertrain (manual). Based on what I've seen so far I feel confident that will be the case.

Ideally the tunes would be equal power/torque wise, but it's 2024 and the fact a manual is even an option is a minor miracle. Your options in the truck market for a manual are Tacoma or Gladiator. The Gladiator truly has a neutered transmission; pulled straight from the Wrangler with a 3500 lb tow limit and a recall on the early clutches.

Let 8 hp be a deal breaker. Enjoy the mediocrity that is the 3.5 V6 MT (mediocrity which I still enjoy overall).

And the hardcore enthusiasts are just going to tune their way well past that 8 hp anyhow BTW.

 

Triggered.

 

What is the purpose of the 2024 MT having less power than the auto!.
It is to allow drivers with the Automatic (and fragile egos) to take us at the light - but only by a little!

 

They probably had to detune the manual to keep from blowing that little puffed up lawn mower engine to pieces.




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