What would Honda have to do to Snag Tacoma Buyers

Actually, what you said was "I think it would attract 2WD drivers who want a car like ride."

It can be extremely difficult for a big company to be able to handle issues across the board as quickly as people would like. My observation, however, is that Toyota does... eventually... step up and deal with things. What I find different between Toyota and American car makers, is that they *actually* address the problem and develop proper solutions, rather than covering it up and just replacing something faulty with something that will soon fail.

 

I've already addressed that, full size are only suitable for small parking lots and very little snow. They don't handle deep snow well because they're too wide. In fact, Tacoma is a bit wider than I'd like for plowing, since its just a bit too big for a 6'8" plow, and needs the step up to 7'.

 

I'm not sure where you're from, but around here there are thousands of 3/4 and 1 ton pickups with 8 and 9 foot plows on them. I've seen people clear driveways with a foot of snow without a problem, you just have to know what you're doing. Plows have an angle adjustment so you don't have to push it all forward.
When it snows over a foot in a day, you don't always get the parking lots plowed when there's only 2 inches.
I've seen gravel roads plowed with full size trucks plenty of times as well. Occasionally you do have to push a pile off to the side, but again, if you know what you are doing, you can handle it just fine.

 

I'm from somewhere that there is lots of snow.
You can't handle hard work pushing an 8 or 9 foot plow. End of story.

 

What are you talking about?

You can fill a Tacoma bed to the brim with cement? that would be way over the capacity, I had 3 loads of 1800 lbs of broken cement in my f150 and the bed wasn't even half full. That wouldn't even have filled a Tacoma bed

Full size truck are terrible at plowing? Maybe maneuvering around isn't as easy. Most half tons aren't even rated to plow but they will out plow a Tacoma anyway.

You can push a 8-10ft plow if you have the right truck. Obviously you ain't putting that on your standard half ton. They can't handle the weight a 6.5' is what's recommended. That would be like sticking a 7 foot steel plow on a Tacoma

 

And that has WHAT to do with snow plowing?

The wider the plow, the more snow sits in front of it. The more snow sits in front of it, the harder it is to push.

Here you go, the "right" plow for an 8-10 foot plow:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Slovenian_Army_Truck.jpg

 

I'm quoting what you said. You can't fill a Tacoma bed fully to the brim with cement moron. And no shit more snow infront of the plow the harder it is to push. But a full size has more power, thus it can push better. Like another user said this is also why plows have angle adjustment and are not just straight blades. You must be an old timer. Ever hear of a "V" plow?

 

You didn't quote anything at all.
You obviously have a hard time with reading comprehension.
AND you also seem to be unable to understand that it isn't *power* that is the limiting factor.

 

Ok so while you didn't fully say that you fill a Tacoma full to the brim with cement, it seems you are insinuating that others are doing it or that it can be done.

 

I never said that it is. I'm simply starting a full size pickup is more capable of plowing, especially since it has more power. This doesn't mean that you can't plow with a midsize. My father in law plows his 10 rental properties with a Dakota v8. If he has the same truck but the 6 cylinder, the truck wouldn't be capable of doing what he needs. Same truck and only difference there is power!

 

I said full to the brim, and provided a list of the kinds of things that people who actually use a truck AS A TRUCK carry in it. I did NOT say that you should back it up to a cement mixer and pour it in until its lapping at the top of the rails. So throw in a dozen bags of cement, 6 sheets of plywood, and a whole bunch of 2x4's. Its FULL TO THE BRIM with what you need to build a form and fill it.

 

You just said the same thing AGAIN. Power is NOT the limiting factor.
Mine's a FOUR cyl, and it'll plow heavy snow all day long and never suffer from a lack of power.

A lot of places use road graders with side wings to plow roads. You know how much power those things have? About the same as a 4-cyl Toyota Tacoma. A road grader is 8 feet wide and has a 12 foot main blade.

Do you want to know what a Toyota Tacoma and a full size truck have in common?
They both have FOUR WHEELS of about the same size. That is your limiting factor.

http://www.rylind.com/images/stories/slides/snow-wing-2.jpg
http://www.publiquip.com/photo/148196543.jpg

 

The only times I've ever seen a grader really needed is when they are pushing the snow banks back (Or in AK and Canada cleaning up after avalanches). That is hard work. And it's not just having 2 extra wheels that give them an advantage. How about several tons of weight? and extremely powerful hydraulic drive.

3/4 and 1 ton trucks have a lot more weight behind them. That gives you more traction. Tie a F350 back to back with a Taco and guess who's going to win the pull? The Taco will start spinning its tires, and the F350 can easily pull it away.
I suppose your Taco plows better than this, because they both have 4 wheels, and you're narrower:http://i.ebayimg.com/images/a/(KGrHqVHJFIE88e5TuRWBPWRF78RuQ~~/s-l300.jpg

 

Yea a grader may have 130 hp but it also has a hell of a lot more torque, is a hell of a lot heavier and was designed to push material. A pickup isn't. I didn't say power is everything but if you take a Dakota v8 4x4 and a Dakota v6 4x4 same cab configure and everything else you tell me what one is gonna plow better. Your insane. Keep on thinking your 4 cylinder taco can out plow a full size pickup.

Of course there is always limitations when it comes to traction, but that's more important when trying to push snow banks/piles or stacking snow.

 

Not much can push that blade shown in your link, including the machine its attached to, if there is any significant snow depth.

Bigger trucks push BIGGER PLOW. While they may have a *little* bit more weight, they would be pushing a LOT more snow.

 

Yes, it is. That's ALL its for.

There will be no difference between your 6 and 8 at all, except that all that extra power on the 8 will increase its tendency to dump out *too much* power and break its traction.

No. Traction is required EVERYWHERE. Traction is what you are up against. Traction is the ONLY thing you are up against.

 

You can tell that to every landscape and construction company in New England and they will all laugh at you. That is exactly what is used to clear large parking lots. And they do just fine when there is a foot of snow. Around here they leave front end loaders with 20+ foot plows in the parking lots all winter.

 

I'm giving up with this guy. Pickups were "designed strictly for plowing". What a moron

 

What the hell happened to this thread?

 

I like the Honda.