Whats up with this turn???

There a photographer there and 20 feet after that turn theres like a place to park wheere people chill.

http://rockstorephotos.com/

 

im gonna go with rider position. if ya hang off the bike a bit more the bikes not at as much of a lean angle. throttle control has a lot to do with a couple of those too.

 

LEAN off your bikes more, you don't ride MotoGP preped bikes... You're everyday commuter bike can only lean so far on the stock suspension and 100+ heat cycled tires..

 

Lean, hang, slide, whatever. Just quit huggin the tank. Those stock bikes have a lot more balls than most of us are ever gonna get out of em. Just hafta adjust the bike as best ya can. Those old tires don't make it any easier either

 

Dunno he was draggin pretty hard. Tweak the gas or go over a bit much? I don't know, I'm not much of a knee dragger.

I'm guessing weak on throttle due to not getting on the brakes hard enough. Not setting the weight onto the rear. THey didn't hammer the brakes coming into the turn, then you could hear them kind of pussying around the throttle in each of those. Last course I took the guy was really getting on us about brakes and roll. Started yelling at us coming out of the corners. Go in slow and lay it on through the curves. Most people don't seem to get the feeling for weight shift in cars or on bikes. Not only to know how to plant it, but to know it's planted.

SLOW look lean roll. Not look lean turn pussy around accelerate out. Using all your friction for just hanging the turn. Hard to say. Bike went to metal in like 1/4 inch after they lost it. Possibly just hit bottom. "push more' only works till you hit ground.
I see a lot of sport bikes with bald ass tires as well.


I wasn't there, couldn't tell of course. Road looked plenty clean. But that "bro" on the scooter seemed to just loose it. Possibly tried braking in the corner. At least he was dressed for it.


Regardless... Talking about that has got me thinking I need to pull "proficient motorcycling" from the bottom of the magazine pile in the bathroom. TIme for a refresher.
And, I've been slack on practicing drills as well.

 

Just watched the zx6 guardrail crash. Guy had no idea how to make a turn. Keeps same rpms through it each time. Long turns are hard to figure, but you can't just forget about it. I frequently make two apexes out of it if I have to go through a 180-270 degree turn.

Cut inside under acceleration then stand it up and slow hard to the outside then turn in again. I asked an instructor about this exact situation... long slowish turns. Letting off or keeping a steady throttle is not acceptable unless you slow WAY down.

 

I hit palomar mt road on my 600. I just take it easy because it's a 45 mile one way commute out there from my house. My rear will kick out from me if my tires are getting kinda crapy, or they aren't warm yet, gravel and sand will do it and the ashphalt is that nice rough course gritty stuff too. It's the end of the corner and everyone is getting on the gas right there.

That dude on the scooter has balls. No way I'd ride twisty roads in crocks, and no leg protection.

 

mullhullond in LA right?

that spot is called deadmans curve for a reason.

my aunt lives in those mansions of mullhullond

 

Yea, I try to get my kicks from doing it perfectly, not as fast as possible.

You should see it here (might be similar there) guys on any bike, on the highway, flip-flops, shorts, no shirt, sunglasses. Thats all. Surprisingly, we don't get many serious accidents.. But is 1000000 people in an area the size of san antonio which is like 70% uninhabitable (steep mountains) so there are accidents and people do die. But not like california's statistics.

 

They should be riding motards, with no worries...

 

I see sport bike riders gears up pretty well in most cases in my area. Other bikes not so much. You do get your exceptional idiot that buys a sport bike and wears helmet, t-shirt and jeans while flying through traffic until he turns into a pancake. If I wanna lay my bike down low in a corner that is what the track is for. The twisty roads are made to be fun, but gotta keep a good safety factor going for you.

 

Yep, prepare to crash, not to ride...

 

Some of those guys aren't even pushing that hard when they went down, and there were examples of both the front tucking and the rear sliding out, so I don't think speed is the culprit. The tendency for sport bike guys is to get the "best" tire whether they need it or not, so many of them have tires that will only last 2000 miles even though they don't need rubber that soft. Or, they put race tires on because they think they are fast, but know nothing of heat cycles or heating up the tire. That could an issue in some of those crashes.

I think the biggest culprit is greasy asphalt, probably with some surface dirt thrown in for good measure.

People at the track run much harder than that and the causes of the crashes are usually pretty evident. The difference is riders at the track always have on proper riding gear, they aren't breaking the law no matter how fast they go, there is no oncoming traffic or traffic pulling out in front of you, the surface you are on is much wider and allows for minor mistakes, there is runoff in the event you overcook a turn, and the turns are much more crash friendly than public streets.

I ride my bike on the street and have fun but I don't pretend to be a racer boy. I save that crap for the track. Guys who think they are fast on the street generally have no idea what fast really is, but think they are impressing people by showing off how good they are while dragging a knee on a public highway. IMO, it is just as stupid as pulling 80+ mph wheelies on busy metropolitan interstates.

Canyon racers should stop cheating and endangering themselves and take the fast stuff to the track. It is a hell of a lot of fun and much, much, much safer!

 

wow that guy in the scoote could have had it waaay worse.

 

why risk it without gear to lean over that far on the street? Ever? Street is uncontrolled period. fluids, nature, etc. Then to lean over that far or ride beyond your riding ability without gear?

That turn aft the apex I believe that the pavement banks in the opposite level making the lean angle alot more steeper. I'm not sure how warm their tires are once they make it to that turn.

Take it to the track period. It's cheaper and safer. Cheaper initially because you won't get caught speeding or tagged with reckless driving. once you get hooked its worse than an addiction once you become a track junkie.

 

Mulholland Drive in LA? crazy how soo many people crash there and no one really learns from it. Assuming just oil on the ground

 

I been twice, I think these guys are actually turning the handle bars, which is causing the front tires to wash out. I used to push down on the handle(countersteer) and it was smootg, Keystone smooth.

 

Some of the those wrecks look like panic braking as you see the bike stand up then the rider tries to go back into a lean. Does the turn decrease in radius as you come out of it? A tap of the front brakes will bring the bike up.

 

new vids of that same place bump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T97UhcQLGA&feature=feedu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD3CtUgGXEw&feature=relmfu

 

second vid wad due to him going over the line when it was wet