When are we going to get HP numbers on the Gen 3...

He also seems to put Blue T in his place lol....

 

It means that Engine has less power at the top than Chebby... despite of 4.30 gears.

yes its J-2807, you just realized that ? J- test in short.
You think 200lb on paperwork is negligible? ever been to DOT weight station, overload by 200LB whats on paperwork and see if they share your opinion?

Really ? What are sale numbers on Tundra vs Ford F-150? Do you need me to even quote? In fact if not for Sequoia sharing the Tundra line, Tundra would be in in red big time and probably would have been closed.
Tundra may get discontinued if Sales numbers continue downward spiral. So yeah if Toyota thinks 1000LB is not worth chasing they can watch money go through the window.

Isn't that what I had been saying that 7GR is going to have less torque down low and therefore its a car engine not a truck engine. Thank you for supporting my argument.

I can read in many languages, you would be surprised...

There are plastic cages in wheel bearings.!!! If thats not cheap @ss than what is? I never had to change wheel bearings on my 1gen.

 

Nope, not when the engines have different redlines. You missed a variable there. If the Toyota redlines 500-1000 RPM lower than the Chevy, which is likely from images posted, then having a lower HP number doesn't mean having less power at the same RPM's. Actually, with how complicated gearing gets, it means nothing at all until we see the final product.

The Colorado and Tacoma will be comparable IRL power. You can bet on that.

Learn some english. If you want to call something a J-test go right ahead. There are thousands of SAE tests that start with J. How about you call it what it is. A J-2807 TEST!

Actually we have Transport Canada up here. If you even listened for two seconds then you'd remember I work for an Ag company that move loads around with half tons all the time. Yes, a difference of 200lbs would matter to me in payload. For towing 200lbs is NOTHING. Do you know what the odds are, if you are going to tow with either truck over 5000lbs, that the extra 200lbs will make a heck of beans difference?

Even more seriously, I would never hitch up a Colorado or Tacoma to a load. We have trucks with goosenecks for that.

My point was to illustrate that Toyota isn't chasing the largest towing numbers, and yet makes a very respectable towing vehicle. I would feel just as confident, as would 99% of sane people, towing a properly sized (ie not more than 80% of rated capacity) load with our F150 as I would with a Tundra. Towing isn't what kills the Tundra line. Poor fuel economy from a 10 year old V8 and inflated dealership prices are killing the Tundra.

Okay, yes, the 7 GR will likely have less torque down low than the 1GR. If that's a car engine to you fine. It's not to me. The 1GR sucks on gas, so Toyota is going another direction that will help meet CAFE standards and simplify manufacturing. As long as Toyota matches up the torque available with the proper gearing through the transmission and rear end it'll be fine. Especially if Toyota can stop the engine from screaming when it needs power like the Chevy 3.6 L. If the 3.5 L 7GR engine has a wide torque band with more around 2500-4500 rpm than the 3.6L Chevy then it'll be a better truck engine.

Do you want me to go find the quote where you said you can barely write in English . It was only 3 weeks ago. I won't insult your intelligence by quoting it but the limited evidence I have doesn't point towards you being a master scholar of languages.

The front wheel bearing on the 2nd gen trucks suck. There we agree on something! However, just because the front wheel bearings suck doesn't mean Toyota is going to give us a crappy engine in the new Tacoma. Remember, this is a thread about HP numbers. Not your own personal chance to write about a truck you hate that you will likely never buy.

 

Pics have showed the tachs a few times and they show a 5800 redline I believe. That's not a hi-rev whing ding to me. 4.0 redline is 5500.

IF that redline is accurate, and IF Toyota wants to be up near 300HP, 5800 redline indicates to me that peak torque will be up around 300 also. IF all of those IF's are correct it will be a good midsize truck motor.

One more IF - IF the redline is up over 6500 RPM, then yeah, it is a hi-rev whing ding where the high revs show a nice high HP number (like the 3.6 Colorado motor) but with no better peak torque than the 4.0 (like the 3.6 Colorado motor).

 

This guy gets it^

 

Sterdog...... I don't know why you bother man, there's a few here with nothing else to
do but rag on something they have no real interest in.

 

I write mobile reports all day from my truck. Tacomaworld helps keep me sane.

 

300 torque? lol. The tach is probably not accurate on those pre-production trucks.

 

Agreed. Besides, in two years BlueT will be bragging about his 2018 Taco!

 

The Colorado tach wasn't accurate on post-production trucks. It took an owner calling GM saying "Why is redline lower than where you quote peak HP?" for them to realize it.

Dyno graphs show the Colorado making about 20 ft-lbs less torque to the wheels across the entire rev band then our geriatric 4.0 motor. It's at about 200, we're at about 220 peak.

 

Only if Toyota produces 1gen sized Truck (small nimble with fully boxed frame) or 2018 has V8 option or Diesel option.
I ain;t driving lifted minivan. If I wanted Sienna I would buy Sienna...

If I wanted lifted Camry I would buy Camry.
I am not impressed by things that look like Ferrari with the engine from Fiero.

I hope a lot of people buys 2016. I am keeping my 2gen so I am going to need frames for replacements every 10 years.
With blown engines it should be cheap purchase...

 

I am not saying the 4.3 liter should have gone in the Colorado. Just saying that the reason GM did not do that is because cross-shoppers may have chosen a less profitable Colorado if the same engine was offered in both models.

 

You might have a point there. A "truck" engine may have more strength designed into the main bearings and crankcase itself to handle the more constant load changes. Upshifting and downshifting with heavy loads, heavier loads than an SUV typically experiences and more often.

Internal cooling channels, I suppose it's possible with the 3.5 it won't be able to handle constant high RPM which typically an SUV does not experience, but I think that is very doubtful. They sure test the devil out of all-aluminum motors to make sure overheating is NOT a point of failure.

Oil capacity, see overheating above.

 

There is no variable there, TOP HP is highest point between RPMS and Torque..
Your highest point is the sweat spot where you want to be while towing trailer up the long hill. Thats why test is not done on lowest gear but on highest. (needs to stay above 40 MPH) Otherwise yeah why not run on 1st gear redlining all the way up

Obviously you dont drive any of them. Overload your trailer by 200 LB and go to weight station see if inspectors share your opinion. Try it. You will be presently surprised I promise you that..

That I am not even sure how to respond to with out offending your feelings and mods jumping to your rescue.

Clearly Math is not your strongest thing.
80% out of the 1000 lb is 800 lb So it does not matter if you load F-150 to 80% capacity or Tundra to 80% ... F-150 can tow more....
I feel comfortable towing 11 000 lb behind my Tacoma if I installed 4.30. None of that matters because legally I can not tow more than 6500 lb.
Which is what most people will be looking for.
You keep saying that 5.7 has worst fuel economy but adjusting for weight difference I get the same Mileage from 5.7 as I get from 1GR.
When we going on vacations with both vehicles my 5.7 gets the same MPG as my 1GR who has to carry vacation gear that pretty much makes both vehicles at equall weight. So I am going to tell you again that story about 5.7 burning more fuel is BS.

They could meet Cafe standards by making smaller truck. Nobody is asking them to make Aircraft carrier powered by moped engine.

I have grammar problem with all my Languages. Including the native one.
So what your point.

It was example of Toyota going cheap. If you need engine example.... How about car head gasket on early 1GR models and now many people with 2005 end up wit h blown head gasket. IS that better?

 

Yes, peak HP is a point determined by torque and RPM. No mid sized truck is going to stay in the highest gear up a hill. That being said I'd like the RPM as low as possible.

Okay

Um, dude you never load a trailer right to the max. Why? Use you brains for thinking instead of being a dick. If you load right to max weight you will GUARANTEED be over weight at a weigh station. Why? Because you can't weigh every little thing you load up. So you use an estimate for every box, jug, or gallon of liquid. Over a few hundred jugs, boxes, or gallons, your calculations will be off by more than 3%.

Trust someone who actually does this job instead of your tiny little solidified brain.

That's why 3% difference doesn't matter to me.

My feelings are fine. You just make everyone want to smash your brains in and save the human race from your stupidity.

Um, dude. Take an F150 and a Tundra out for a drive with 8000 lbs behind them. The Tundra actually behaves, off the line, a little better in a lot of cases. It's because of the Tundra's 4.10 rear ratio. Until you reach the last gasp (so out of an 11,000 lbs tow rating, the last 2,100 lbs) the two trucks perform relatively well against each other. Once you reach that last 2000 lbs, both will fall short in area's because IT'S NOT JUST HP AND TORQUE THAT DETERMINE TOW RATINGS. You don't know what the limiting factor is for any trucks tow rating, and I doubt very much on either the Canyon or the Tacoma that it is the amount of power available.

If you feel safe with 11,000 lbs behind a Tacoma you need to be committed to a mental hospital.

My point, which again you just took two words from and ran with like a total fool, is that minimal differences in towing, like 3%, aren't going to make a hill of beans with of difference IRL.

If you are getting the same mileage between a 5.7 L and the Tacoma good on you. Fuelly doesn't. I believe thousands of people over your BS.

HOW? Read about CAFE. Smaller wheel bases mean you need more MPG to pass. WOW. Do you even google at all bro, or just believe whatever pops into your head.

I would like to see a smaller truck from someone, but odds are then you'd just be stuck with a I4 option like the Ram 700 that's probably coming to the USA in the next few years.

My point is that if you have trouble with English grammar you probably aren't reading manderin.

Car head gasket? You mean how the head gasket was weak. I love how every second word out of your mouth is car=weak and truck=strong. You need to broaden your horizons and your grammar.

 

Sterdog- 15 Blue T- 0

 

Funny I got 50 /50 on my card !

 

You also have genitals on your engine

 

Toyota's going backwards with the girl motor, Even our trucks are emasculated now And the young are happy about it ... Wait for my surprised face !!

 

I'll be glad when #'s are published so I can see even more fighting on these forums. Could be several months out however.