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When will the 2021/2022 Tacoma shortage really end?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by verlaryder, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. Jul 3, 2021 at 3:09 PM
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    The Toronto Taco

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    The largest manufacturer of semi-conductor (used in the chips) in Japan had a major plant burn down as well... took provisional parts from 7 week lead time to almost 6 months!
     
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  2. Jul 4, 2021 at 5:06 AM
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    Lucky! :mad:
     
  3. Jul 4, 2021 at 5:09 AM
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    Production is most certainly not back to those levels. Ford stated on its last Earnings Call that production will be at 50% capacity mainly due to lack of parts.
     
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  4. Jul 4, 2021 at 5:36 AM
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    Am I the only one who has no idea wtf "borrowed from our grandkids fiat currency" is? If you are referring to the stimulus payments, only about 13% of that money went to non-essential spending like getting a nicer used car. The biggest chunks went to paying monthly expenses they couldn't otherwise cover (45%) and paying down debt (32%). The rest went to investments/savings (11%). And yea I realize that totals 101%....I rounded, so shoot me :p And no way we are even close to production being back to pre-pandemic levels.
     
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  5. Jul 4, 2021 at 9:22 AM
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    How do you think "stimulus" was financed? US Treasury prints worthless pieces of paper, backed by nothing but promise of the US government to accept them. That's the fiat currency part. USD is not money. Money stores value. If you have US currency, it loses value every day due to inflation. It is a medium of exchange, but not money, same as shells and beads used by primitive cultures.
    Private bank of Federal Reserve sells US Bonds and buys the newly minted paper fiat currency. Our kids and grandkinds will be paying interest on those bonds. That's the "borrowed from the grandkids" part.
    That's what the national debt is, money borrowed from future generations to finance our current lifestyle.
     
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  6. Jul 4, 2021 at 9:31 AM
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    Thread is about Toyota not Ford.
    I do not know about Ford's production capacity, but Toyota's is back up. But if potential Ford buyers cannot buy a Ford, they will move to other makes, including Toyota. So there will be less new Toyota cars on the lots.
    How can Toyota have the best selling June, if their production is still down? Need to have vehicles to sell.
    https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-u-s-june-and-first-half-2021-sales/

    • Best-ever June sales: total APV, total light truck, Corolla Hybrid, total Highlander, Highlander Hybrid, Prius Prime, Tacoma, Venza
    • Best-ever first half light truck sales
     
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  7. Jul 4, 2021 at 12:22 PM
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    They may be including all orders placed and vehicles purchased regardless of when they will be delivered. I signed my paperwork on June 22nd but my truck wasn’t delivered to the dealership until July 1st. Does my sale count for June or July?
     
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    Don't know, but it does not matter. If the same methodology used every year and every month. If sold, but not delivered, trucks were recorded in June of 2021, same was done in June of 2020. And in December for trucks sold in December, but delivered in January, etc.
     
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  9. Jul 4, 2021 at 12:46 PM
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    My tin foil hat thinks that there will be some black swan event in Aug or Sept and demand for goods and services will fall off a cliff.

    Oroville won't be making any power by then and say hello to large power bills
     
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    Dont care about sales. What are production numbers?
     
  11. Jul 4, 2021 at 8:58 PM
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    Money stores value...fascinating story. Oh, and the USD is a medium of exchange, but not money. Some should look up the definition of money.

    OH, and let me beat you to it...THE GOLD STANDARD!!!

    Good grief, Charlie Brown.
     
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    The month the vehicle is licensed is the month it's considered delivered by the OEM. This is why near month end, they may "paper deliver" you but you may not get your car for a couple of days after that.
     
  13. Jul 6, 2021 at 1:42 PM
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    Fords back in the chips. Maybe Toyota will be soon too.

    Ford Secures Chips to Finally Finish Thousands of Incomplete F-150 Pickups
    By Caleb Jacobs, The Drive 1 hr ago
     
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    Coming soon big rebates, because I can't have a 2021 when there's a 2022 on the lot. I need to tell people at work it's a 2022, my office spouse Carol in QC likes them heated seats they do a better job of getting her to warm up to me.
     
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    Just pick up 2021 I bought the Tacoma Access cab 4x4 there were only 2 on the lot rest were used. I paid the MSRP but did demand larger trade value towards the truck and got it.Don't know what dealers are jacking it above MSRP but if they are I would go somewhere else I would never pay above MSRP how dealers will get you better deal is by bumping up your trade because they know they will get the money back when they resell your trade.
     
  16. Jul 7, 2021 at 4:20 AM
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    My dealer's lot is about big enough to hold a major political rally in, including parking. Sadly there's not enough cars in it to fill a Zippy-Mart parking lot.
     
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    I went to my local Toyota dealer the other day for a part, and there was not a single vehicle in the showroom. The sales men are just kind of walking around looking constipated.
     
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  18. Jul 7, 2021 at 8:23 AM
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    Maybe when the new Nissan Frontier hit the market? That thing is clearly aiming at the Tacoma.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Shortages will end when people want to get back to work. Manufacturing is suffering in that no one shows up to work anymore. I can go around town and see maybe 2 dozen billboards advertising sign on bonuses for various factories. Until the incentives to not work end, production numbers will stay where their at.

    My guess, maybe end of 2022 or begining of 2023 at the earliest things will go back to normal-ish.
     
  20. Jul 9, 2021 at 8:29 AM
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    I know the difference between money and fiat currency. Hint. They are not the same.

    Since you brought up gold... Here is what Alan Greenspan thought about gold. Applicable to our deficit spending now.

    “In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value.”
    “Gold is a currency. It is still, by all evidence, a premier currency, where no fiat currency, including the dollar, can match it.”

    And the last one for today:
    "The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the hidden confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
     
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