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Why Atkinson Cycle?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Usmc341, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:04 PM
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    Usmc341

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    Maybe this has been discussed before, but being a new owner, I have some questions as to why Toyota would choose to use an Atkinson Cycle engine for a truck platform. Maybe I'm missing something, but those types of engines are efficient, but lack low end power, exactly where a truck would need it. The way I understand it, Toyota's VVT system is sophisticated enough to compensate, but do you think they might have over thought this new engine? I mean, does a truck really need dual fuel injection? If one of the benefits of Atkinson Cycle is fuel economy, I'm not seeing it. On my 300 mile trip which was 90% highway, I only saw 19mpg. I get that the engine is green, only 400 miles on it.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:06 PM
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    You should have been here 2 years ago.
     
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    from what I've heard it does get better after break in period.
    otherwise...guess you bought the wrong truck dude.

    I dunno I don't really have any issue with the power of it.
    More is welcome and definitely better, but I find the current will do fine for me and my needs. If I want more speed I'll get in my car that has $20k in the engine lol
     
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  4. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:22 PM
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    It does feel like less power than my '09. But it certainly pulls the camper better than my '09. I don't have any issues with it and I do get much better mpg in this than I did in the '09. I'm averaging 23 mpg and my '09 avg was around 19 mpg.
     
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  5. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:34 PM
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    The new v6 is the reason I bought the 2.7. I wanted something that had been around a while and was proven.
    If the 4.0 had been an option, I might have bought one.
    The Atkinson cycle engines seem to have too many extra moving parts to me, which logically equates to more possible points of failure.
    I also have a diesel dually flatbed if I need to tow or haul more than my Tacoma can handle, though. Not everybody has an extra P.O.S. work truck laying around.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I like the truck overall and I certainly didn't buy a Tacoma for overwhelming power or gas mileage. If I want my head snapped back I'll take a ride in my Hellcat lol. My point was that maybe Toyota could have got similar results with a lot less complexity. Under 3k it feels kind of sluggish compared to the Colorado
     
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    Its more like quasi atkinson, and the cam phasers can advance to full otto cycle from my understanding
     
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    It all depends on your throttle position.
    Its not a full atkinson. depending on throttle it switches over to full otto cycle and has a lot more pick up.

    Maybe you're just not putting your foot down enough
    yes it can.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification
     
  10. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:41 PM
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    More accurately, its still an Otto Cycle engine, but the VVT-I simply imitates an Atkinson Cycle.
     
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    So what would the benefits be as opposed to full Otto Cycle?
     
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    Why male models?
     
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    Better fuel economy.
     
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    You get better fuel economy when you aren't demanding power while retaining the ability to demand power.
     
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    Its still a "Full" otto cycle, as an Atkinson cycle engine uses different connecting rods, and crank shaft. That being said, by Imitating an Atikinson cycle, thus by leaving the intake valves open for part of the compression stroke, the engine has reduced pumping loss.
     
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    Covered in stickers and chrome stick-ons for extra horse torques and foot powers. Icon sticker gets me tons of travel, dozens of milimeters.
    You shouldn't do this on a new motor. You need to vary the throttle during the first 5,000mi as much as possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oklqJnm7_TY
     
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    FWIW, Engines are "run in" In the factory. If engine break in was left to the general driving population, no engine would see its first oil change. Engines are spun either by electric motor, or pneumatic motor, for a certain period of time, to break in the cylinders, and seat the rings.
     
  19. Dec 27, 2016 at 6:55 PM
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    I get that. I've done break in on tons of new motors in 40 years of driving. Luckily my trip had lots of rolling hills, up and down on the throttle. In my experience babying a new motor does more harm than spirited driving. Too many people get crazy about the break-in period. It's not an exact science. Don't redline it and don't do donuts. Common sense prevails and you'll be fine
     
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    Covered in stickers and chrome stick-ons for extra horse torques and foot powers. Icon sticker gets me tons of travel, dozens of milimeters.
    Which would be why Toyota leaves "break in" directions for the first few thousand miles in the manual... 'Cause it's a nice use of paper and ink.
     
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