Why did Toyota put this here?

That’s all fine and dandy, but I base my belief system off the greatest off-roader ever made by humankind. The unstoppable Unimog!! What’s on the front and back of a Unimog you ask? Drums…….for serious off road people who know how to go hard on the trials.

Unimog drivers can’t afford the liability of discs when they are in the thick of it.

 

So I should scrap the idea of making adapters to put these 19" rotors on my Taco?

 

What’s stopping you from putting on the driveshaft? Just cut a slot in the bed.

 

Back when I worked on cars and trucks i frequently commented that it was obvious that the guy who designed it knew that he wasn't going to have to repair it.

GM mid size cars in the mid 1970s required the right fender to be partially removed to change the heater/AC blower motor.

 

The Bill Belichick of Toyota engineering.

 

so says the carolinian impersonating a bostonian

 

Carryover from the Canes beating Boston in the 1st round of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

 

I like disk brakes myself because easier to replace, but on the Tacoma will have to replace more often than my rear drums due to the front taking most of the braking force and larger surface area on the drum brake pads.
My theory is those who hate drums the most are totally befuddled in how to properly replace and adjust drum brakes.

 

What?

Yes drum brakes were standard for all Unimogs, until they were replaced by disc brakes in 1973...... however, until 1989, drum brakes remained an option for Unimogs of the 406-family. Shitty old tech

 

I hate on drums because they are an objectively shittier old technology that have no justification for use aside from cost savings. My theory is people that like or defend drum brakes don't have even an elementary level of mechanical engineering knowledge. Even going as far to say completely ignorant stuff like claiming they are better off-road lmao

 

Changing a long-standing and proven design that is fit-for-purpose and adds cost is a very poor engineering decision.

 

Unless of course the long-standing tech is that much more poor and you can justify the marginal cost increase with the performance increase. Like going from carbureted motors to direct fuel injected ones.

 

Incorrect. Most people who have the skills to replace drum brakes really don’t get worked over the fact that Tacoma’s still have them. More important things ya know? In time Tacomas will have rear disk brakes and you will be able to chill again … or move on to something else that triggers ya.

 

Keyword: "like or defend" not tolerate and ignore lol. To like/defend an older shittier tech shows lack of basic mechanical engineering knowledge. It's like claiming a carbureted motor is better than a fuel injected one. Just because I can pull apart and rebuild a Carb and not get worked up over it doesn't mean it isn't objectively a shittier older technology that is only utilized to save costs. I would like to see Toyota join the rest of auto manufactures in the 21st century. I mean these trucks are like $30k+ off the lot, we really can't get rear disk brakes when the Honda Civic has had them since like 1992?

 

I love where this thread is going so close to Friday

 

You are obviously not an engineer. There were good reasons to move from carburetors to fuel injection, namely better fuel economy and lower emissions. Drum brakes work fine on these trucks. My '92 had plenty of pad left after 130K miles, you just don't need the power of discs on the rear. Sure, they work better and are newer tech, just not needed. I have no doubt they will eventually change to discs, but there will need to be a better reason than "it's newer and better tech."

 

The first post was always going to end in a Friday post worthy thread.

 

The reason is it performs better in every category. Non-power steering works just fine on my 82', it didn't need power steering so why does my 2022? All that complexity of adding power steering with no justification other than it's easier to turn the wheel. It's almost like technology evolves and is adapted for reasons as simple as, "it performs the job its tasked with doing better". My 1990 computer works just fine, it can connect to the internet, why would it need a better CPU? current one works fine.

"We need a better reason to use this technology other than the fact that it's better in every category" If the fact that a part performs better in every single quantifiable metric that the part is tasked with handling aside from costs isn't a justification to change the part than what is?

 

good video on the two brakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQYkANPs-TA


What other topics can we bring up?

Oh, I know, Why didn't our trucks come with hood struts? WTF?

Talk about cheapen out.

 

Our top of the line 2012 Accord EX-L had hood struts, our top of the line 2020 Accord EX-L has a damn prop rod! My life is ruined.
I did add hood struts to my Tacoma.

On more important matters what oil you runnin’?