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Why doesn't the Tacoma come with all around Disc brakes?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by hail-bop Command, Jun 23, 2008.

  1. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM
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    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    For 35" tires, possibly.
     
  2. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM
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    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    Now, ya see, I agree with that! :D
     
  3. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM
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    hail-bop Command

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    Then what needs to be done...A whole brake overhaul because Toyota made no room for tolerances in the breaks because NOBODY ever upgrades to bigger wheels or rims:eek:
     
  4. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM
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    IMHO you have a couple dynamics here to consider. First, your truck is well over 4000 lbs. second, you have a long wheelbase which can cause loss of brake 'feel'. This IS a substantial truck you have and you added even more to it-so your stopping power is enough, just not comfortably so.
     
  5. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM
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    But i'm not the only one here, People on this forum with stock setups are saying their brake systems are lacking.
     
  6. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM
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    Hey buddy:) you think Toyota is gonna spend extra engineering coin on these trucks to accomodate mods? We're lucky to get a set of shocks outa them in the build!
     
  7. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM
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    To get your truck to stopp like a BMW, yes. a 35" tall tire isnt really in any manufactures list of "tolerances". They do understand that the majority of mods are bigger tires. Usually one size. That would give an increase stopping distance 30 feet or so from 60 m.p.h., from stock size. Now, iirc, for every inch increase in diameter, the rotational force is squared. So, if you are driveing next to a similar Tacoma that is loaded with 1000 lbs. and you both slam on the brakes, you will stop in the same distance. The same applies to any truck. When loaded (which yours affectivley is), the stopping distance is going to increase. The wealk link isnt the drums, its that heaveier vehicles take longer to stop.
     
  8. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:30 PM
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    hail-bop Command

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    LOL, Guess I'm asking for to much! The American trucks are WAY overkill on everything and lack style and Toyota has mostly everything I want / need and then on some things they get chinsey and everyone tries to justify it...
     
  9. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:32 PM
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    It could be a problem with their vehicle.
    If I slam on my brakes, My truck stopps pretty quick. Does it stop as fast as my Accord? Nope. But if I have a buddy driveing my Dodge and Im driveing my Tacoma and slam on the breaks in front of it, Im a gonner.
     
  10. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:32 PM
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    WOW I had no idea it was that dramatic!! So that means there's a gaggle of other dynamics in play with bigger tires and lift like lateral force on bearings etc right Chris?
     
  11. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM
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    Absolutly. Rotational dynamics has many affects on vehicle performance. A larger tire on a truck affects everything from the bearings to the frame.
     
  12. Jun 23, 2008 at 5:41 PM
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    In that case Hailbop-you better touch that brake pedal a little sooner-maybe occasionally downshift when felt neccessary!
     
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    I think your truck, with its lift and tires and crappy stock brakes, is a public safety hazard. I’m going to have to report you to the proper authorities.:rolleyes:
     
  14. Jun 23, 2008 at 6:07 PM
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    there sure is a lot of contraversy over some little ole drum aint there. lol i personally havent ever had a problem with my drums. the discs are better looking but ive had to replace rotors alot more than ive had to replace a drum. my truck stays on the farm and on dirt roads alot and i dont know about everyone else but i run into getting little rocks and crap stuck between the disc and the caliper and creating all kinda hell on a rotor if you dont catch it quickly. you can discuss either sides views. they both have pros and cons. discs look better. thats a deffinate. i personally believe drums are more heavy duty than discs because of the obvious reasons like more surface area both on the drum and the pads. in the end though, either disc or drum if your brakes arent stopping you adequately enough for your own satisfaction either because your loaded down or you've got a lift then stay off that other pedal on the right and you wont have so much of a problem. thats just my 2 cents on the matter. lol
     
  15. Jun 23, 2008 at 6:18 PM
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    I think you summed it up better than all of us combined!
     
  16. Jun 23, 2008 at 6:24 PM
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    X2! :)
     
  17. Jun 23, 2008 at 6:39 PM
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    Turbonium I wanna haul stuff

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    Mods? What's a mod? Bone stock, baby. Well, okay. Maybe a few smallish mods. If you count a locking gas cap, coin holder and a behind-the-seat trash bag.
    Very true. But, you know, CornDog; when you talk about 'rocks and crap' getting in between the disc and caliper, I've got to say, I've always found that 'stones and crud' are much more of a problem, but that's just my opinion.




    j/k :D
     
  18. Jun 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM
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    Ill have to go back and say that we agree to disagree!!!!!! lol
     
  19. Jun 23, 2008 at 7:20 PM
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    I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that drums have superior holding power vs disc brakes. I welcome the fact that the Tacoma does a half-n-half setup. With the larger payload capacity of previous generations as well as a larger towing capacity having drums on the rear makes sense.

    For me with the parking brake engaged and my trailer attached I'm comfortable that the drums on the rear are strong enough to hold everything in place since trailer brakes only come on when the foot is on the brake pedal. With drums on the front I can again welcome the superior stopping power or drums when I need it most. Since 75% of all your stopping is done at the front wheels having drums in the rear is no big deal and is actually SAFER in some situations than disc's would be as my example given.
     
  20. Jun 23, 2008 at 10:37 PM
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    My wifes 05 4runner with 4wheel disc does seem to stop better than my 08 taco but that may be the extra weight in the rear. I do wonder why the Taco does not have 4 wheel disc as a regular option. As far as disc vs drum (loaded or unloaded) I can't say which is best but regardless leaving safe following distances and reducing speed in inclement weather is common sense. Every vehicle is different... know yours and drive accordingly.
     

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