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Why not a Taco Deisel in USA?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by 2011TacoBeav, Sep 7, 2011.

  1. Sep 7, 2011 at 1:26 PM
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    Warhorseforever

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  2. Sep 7, 2011 at 1:36 PM
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    Well I'm gonna disagree. Yes VVT-I is efficient but it has nothing to do with the advantage diesels used to have. The diesels in America are subject to different emissions standards starting in 2010 than those in Europe or anywhere else in the world. Because of those different emission standards the American diesels have to have restrictive particulate filters and Diesel exhaust fluid (urea). These changes have severely reduced the efficiency of the diesel.

    Look at the Cummins for example. The new ones get about 11 mpg while the older models go 20+. All the emissions equipment chokes off the new ones. It will take them awhile to overcome this setback our government has placed on the diesel but they will figure it out. Hell Ford has a diesel Focus in Europe coming out that gets 55 mpg. And we will never see it.:mad: It's no wonder the diesel doesn't catch on here because the advantage is all but gone and also there is more maintenance with all the emissions equipment. EDIT: Forgot to mention the premium price that the manufacturers put on the diesel. It's no wonder no one buys them here.

    Here is some more info on the standards
     
  3. Sep 7, 2011 at 2:22 PM
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    I had not heard of the mandatory diesel emissions equipment. How is the 2012 VW Jetta TDI able to get away with 30/42 mpg? Maybe they are focusing on the larger engines.
     
  4. Sep 7, 2011 at 3:22 PM
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    EPA, that's why.

    EPA is out of control.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM
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  6. Sep 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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    VVT does not make up for the >30% fuel efficiency of a diesel. Diesel Excursions are known to get 20mpg on the highway. My wifes 2010 FJ can't even do that.


    I've also seen diesel at the same price, or LESS, than 87 octane.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM
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    I know Toyota USED to offer a diesel, my grandfather had an early 80's Toyota Pickup that he beat into the ground. He flipped the odometer in it and refused to give it up bc it was so reliable. 4 cylinder that you could always hear coming up the street. Maaaan, I miss that old thing.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2011 at 5:27 PM
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    Diesel is more fuel efficient, longer lasting, and safer. The government wants you to spend more money on fuel and cars to help out their friends in the oil and automobile businesses. So they make it harder and more expensive to get a diesel emissions certified. I'm not sure why they have a problem with the increased safety of a slower burning fuel.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM
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  11. Sep 8, 2011 at 6:16 AM
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    I disagree. Diesels have much more torque and get that torque sooner. They can run very high CR's (as they dont have to worry much about pre ignition), and have less pumping loss than a gas engine. But the power band is narrow. The VVT sytems used in gasoline engines allows their torque to remain flatter, for more of the rev range, and to more accurately "tune" the intake/exhaust pulses to maximise performance.
     
  12. Sep 8, 2011 at 6:51 AM
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    The changes actually happened for the 08 or 09 model years, can't remember exactly which now. At that point the low sulfur fuel was also required. Diesel particulate filters (DPF) and/or urea injection seem to be the only viable forms of meeting the emissions standards.

    The 09-11 TDIs in the US used DPF technology to clean the exhaust, while the 12s now use urea injection.
     
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    id love a diesel truck my buddys f350gets the same mpg as my taco in city 17-19
     
  14. Sep 8, 2011 at 10:01 AM
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    My dads 2011 f350 gets a solid 21... no joke. A lot of hwy driving though
     
  15. Sep 8, 2011 at 10:23 AM
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    They don't publish the numbers, because vehicles with a 10000# GVW are exempt. My buddys F350 gets 18 and my Dodge 3500 is averaging 21 for the last 250000 miles.
     
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    Oh okay boss! Ignorance and talking like you know doesn't make you right. It gets just as good of mileage as my taco. Deal with it
     
  17. Sep 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM
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    A gas engine will have more power through a wider range then a diesel but VVT or not the diesel will do better on fuel due to the higher heat value of diesel over gas there is more energy available per pound. I own a VW TDI it will pull hills far better then any gas engine of the same displacement because at highway speeds it's right in the torque band the gas engine needs another 2 grand to make the torque. I drive the VW like I stole it and I have never got less then 50 MPG. I would trade my 2011 V6 tomorrow if I could buy a 3L turbo diesel Taco.
     
  18. Sep 8, 2011 at 12:47 PM
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    American habits have more to do with why we don't have lots of small diesel vehicle options in the states than any regulation.

    Bottom line is you could remove every NO2x regulation and particulate regulation in the states and you'd have about as many diesel car and light truck options as you have now.

    We're car and truck people, so we love the idea of a diesel and will pay through the nose to drive one. But the average consumer simply shuns diesels. The guys who think in terms of billions and have 40 pound heads to figure all that shit out know Joe Consumer won't buy 'em. (Plus the EPA has been giving a free ride to traditional favorites, like the gas engine, coal plants, etc., it's pretty much anything goes, in spite of all the EPA bashing that goes on in the car/truck community.)
     

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