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will remounting tires help with balance issues?

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by MTgirl, Oct 19, 2010.

  1. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM
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    Before taking my truck into the tire shop for the third time in less than two weeks...1st to get the new tires, 2nd to have them rebalanced, and the upcoming 3rd visit for another balance issue...I thought I would consult TW for more information.

    I had my tires put on less than 2 weeks ago. The shop failed to balance them correctly the 1st time and I was back in the shop the next day. All was good after that visit but I have an excessive amount (IMO) of weights on two of the tires. I was out this last weekend and when I got back on the highway after being on dirt roads all day I noticed that the vibes were back. Pretty sure I threw a weight off of one of the rims at some point during the day. My question is this...will remounting the tires (and repositioning them by 90 or 180 degrees) help with balancing them and require fewer weights?

    I'm tired of visiting the tire shop on a weekly basis and I'm sure they're sick of me too! Oh, and I have stock rims with 31X10.5R15 Duratracs.
     
  2. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:14 AM
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    Tire position on the vehicle does not affect wheel/tire balancing. I have a ton of weights on my wheels also I'm guessing because of the TPMS sensors. If you threw a weight, only way to fix it is to replace the weight unfortunately.
     
  3. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:16 AM
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    Sometimes rotating the tire 180 on the rim can help. There is sometimes a heavy spot on the tire and one on the rim that line up during mounting.
     
  4. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM
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    I don't mean position on the vehicle - front, rear, etc - I mean take the tire off of the rim and put it back on the same rim but just spun around clockwise or counter clockwise.

    And I have a 1st gen, no TPMS!
     
  5. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:21 AM
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    She's not talking about moving the wheels around on the vehicle, she's talking about repositioning the tires on the wheels. And the answer is yes, repositioning the tires CAN help with balancing. It's called road force balancing.

    One question is, after you were in the dirt, was there a lot of dirt buildup on the wheels? If yes, that will effect balancing. If not, then you did most likely lose a weight and need another rebalance. You might want to ask them to road force at least the couple wheels with excessive weights.
     
  6. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:22 AM
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    I think it could be the rims. Mine 98 had several weights on two of the rims (same rims as yours) and I ran BFG ATs.
     
  7. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:24 AM
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    Another option is to find a shop that with a roadforce balancing machine. I have had issues with tires and this has ALWAYS fixed it. One consideration is that all wheels do not fit on this machine and I have never owned 31's.
     
  8. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:27 AM
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    Dirt buildup? No. Rocks? Yes, but they came out very quickly.:eek: The vibes were pretty consistent on the 30+ mile drive home on the highway. I was throwing rocks all day and can't tell the difference between a rock and a weight being flung around but pretty sure one came off at some point.

    So if it is the rims then most likely nothing can be done?
     
  9. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:29 AM
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    Shit i just ordered wheels and tires from Tire Rack they do road force balancing and I had major vibes I took the truck to Les Schwab and the backs needed over 13oz now my truck runs down the road as it should.
     
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  11. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:31 AM
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    never heard of that in my pre-purchase research. how do you tell if there are flat spots? any way to test for that at the shop?
     
  12. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:37 AM
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    Jlee, no sweat, if they needed 13oz, then so be it. the roadforce machines do not change the weight needed to balance a tire, they just analyze a tire at 40MPH with force applied as if you were driving. Other machines spin the tire without applying a force to the tread. This will work in most instances, but for stubborn balancing, roadforce has proved itself to me 3 times. PS- tirerack has a list of service centers with pricing in your area and they list the machine used to balance your tires.
     
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    If the vibes just started with new tires, it's not your wheels. Unless the tire is out of round(basically defective and will never balance correctly), road force balancing will almost guarantee to fix it.
     
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    Road force balancing can definitely change weight needed to balance a tire. Every wheel and every tire has a heavy spot, and lots of weight usually means that the heavy spots are too close together(meaning one very heavy spot), which is why so much weight is needed to counter-balance the heavy spot.

    Road forcing doesn't just analyze the tire, it also determines where the heavy spots are on each and tells the tire tech exactly where to position the tire on the wheel, usually resulting in less weight need to counter balance the heavy spot.
     
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    My bad, I thought you were talking about rotating the wheel on the hub, not the tire on the rim. That may help you with the excessive amount of weights but the others on here are correct, certain tires are a PITA to balance, some impossible due to defects.
     
  16. Oct 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM
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    never had a problem before. this is only the second set of tires that I've had on the truck.

    Thanks Boyd!

    that's sort of what I was thinking, not everything is going to be perfectly symmetrical so it seems like a reasonable cause to me.

    looking into road force now. not sure what my shop has...i shall call and disguise my voice so as to not make them suspicious.
     
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    Yeah it's taken care of now and Tire Rack is paying for the Balance. I do have stubborn tires to balance 33"x12.5x15" DuraTracks mounted on 15"x10's with a 3.74" backspacing and -44mm offset so there's a lot of rim on the outside of the wheel. Here's a shot of the wheels and tires.
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  18. Oct 19, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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    Really? You think that will be the most effective and convincing? I was thinking more along the lines of my phone sex operator voice. :eek:

    I'm off to make some calls and see what they have to say...
     
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    13oz of weight is a lot theres no that tire is being balanced correctly
    or theres something wrong with the wheel is it bent
    Or theres something wrong with the guy doing the balance
    if this guy put 13oz of weights on your tires/wheels somethings wrong
    that should never have left the shop like that
    Lisa all can say is find a new shop
    I would like to see a pic of that wheel with 13oz on them
     
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