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Winter suspension upgrade questions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Voodoo Rufus, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. Nov 19, 2010 at 11:11 PM
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    Voodoo Rufus

    Voodoo Rufus [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Firstly, I'll explain my driving habits. I am a driving enthusiast, and enjoy twisty paved roads. I also like bombing along on unpaved county roads. Generally these do not have big bumps and dips, but can have potholes made from mud and large trucks, and washboard. I soon plan to add a rear sway bar because I am displeased with the lack of "sportiness" in my TRD Sport model on pavement. I don't plan on doing any serious rock crawling. Light trail riding perhaps. I hope that gives an idea of the kind of driving fun and I have or plan to do with my pickup. I drive my Subaru with serious summer and winter tires to its full extent, and though I know I drive a truck also, I would like it to handle better than it currently is capable of. I also plan on installing an aftermarket plate bumper of around 120 pounds weight, as well as sliders, rear bumper and perhaps under-chassis skids.

    My stock leafs are in negative arch slightly. Since this truck is fairly new and low miles, I am unsure how this may have happened, but I do know that this is bad for load carrying and handling. Since I like to have decent handling, I wish to keep the CG as low as possible. I have ruled out lowering the truck because I do wish to keep a reasonable amount of ground clearance, and the cross member is low enough as is in stock form. I would also like to maximize wheel travel without resorting to a SUA setup. The most I plan to tow in the future is 200 pound tongue weight, 1500 pound trailer weight. This would be a sailplane trailer.

    What I'm looking at:

    Rear suspension:
    Custom Alcan springs (1" lift over stock, no overload leafs). Perhaps the Wheeler's Alcans?
    Defined Eng. shackles
    Some form of improved bump stops (Wheelers or Timbrens)
    All Pro U-bolt flip
    Upgraded rear shocks - King or Icon

    Front suspension:
    King or Icon external reservoir coilovers
    Upgraded ball-joint UCAs?

    Questions:
    Is having equal amounts of bump and droop travel optimal, or can one have less bump travel and maintain good off-road characteristics for what I plan to do?
    Are there any disadvantages to the All Pro u-bolt flip for handling or axle wrap?
    King or Icon for on-road performance? From what I've read Icon may be firmer for on-road where Kings are preferred off-road.
    Can I still align the wheels well with upgraded UCAs at stock height? I know they are necessary for maximum travel with the stock LCAs. I plan on using 31.5-32.5" tires.

    I know I'm missing a question in here, but I look forward to the responses. Thanks for reading this lengthy post.
     
  2. Nov 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM
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    nvdeserted

    nvdeserted Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure that all of your suspension upgrades, although great, will lead to a less "sporty" ride on the street.

    No matter what suspension components you get, a swaybar will hinder their travel; no need for UCAs if no lift; they will greatly increase durability though.

    As for the tuck/droop ratio: for the giant potholes and such, you'll be happier with more droop. But yes, in the middle is a good place to be.

    IMO, outfit the truck for off-road and then get that Subaru dialed in for the twisties.
     
  3. Nov 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM
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    ktmrider

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    Icons are digressive, meaning they are stiffer on small hits but softer on large hits

    Kings a progressive, meaning they are softer on small hits but harder on large hits.


    IMO progressive coilovers are the way to go for mostly street rides. Ive ridden in a tacoma with kings, and I have progressive foxes and the ride is very plush.
     
  4. Nov 20, 2010 at 6:18 PM
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    Voodoo Rufus

    Voodoo Rufus [OP] Well-Known Member

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    If I understand this correctly, it sounds like the Icons would be better for me. Stiffer on the road yet softer off road, right? I like a firm yet controlled on-road ride.

    The Subaru is not getting modified any more. I put a nice set of Dunlop Direzza Z1s on it, and it handles plenty fine to me. The truck may replace it as the daily driver eventually, but I also want it to be capable of going more places than a car.
     
  5. Nov 20, 2010 at 9:43 PM
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    ktmrider

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    if you like a firm ride then yes, but you will feel the imperfections of the road more.
     
  6. Nov 20, 2010 at 9:50 PM
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    KenLyns

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    Why do you think you need a rear sway bar? With a solid axle there is no camber change with body roll. Is your truck pushing (understeering) in corners?
     
  7. Nov 21, 2010 at 7:28 AM
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    Voodoo Rufus

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    Yes, very much so. I want the handling to be more neutral. It understeers heavily.
     
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