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Wyoming B.S. Thread

Discussion in 'North West' started by Blackdawg, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:32 PM
    Blackdawg

    Blackdawg [OP] Dr. Frankenstein

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    Yeah I'd imagine it'll either end up not good. Or a new welder will magically be purchased haha

    Oooooorrrrr

    Green truck goes into shop... Ben is ready to take his build to the next level. He's excited. Gets things read and cuts the first large hole in the driver side. After hours of work he's ready to patch the hole only to find it impossible to weld.

    Not wanting to be adventure truck less while he waits to save for a new welder..the turd gen gets the rtt. Slowly the build begins. After a few months Ben finally remembers he had another truck, it's been on jack stands for so long it's become a tool shelf more than anything still with a hole in the floor board.

    And thus Ben became a turd gen instalander. Like a slow disease it consumed him...all from just cutting a hole in his first gen..that he never patched.

    :D
     
  2. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:47 PM
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    I figure I can't buy the setup any time soon but since I'm not free to be out and about much that it's not a terrible time to start some of it. Gonna built the tool to mark the fenders, maybe even cut them back 1.5". Then practice welding 14g to see if I and the matching are capable. If that pans out I don't see why I wouldn't start hacking into the firewall :notsure: if the welding situation isn't favorable I'll move onto the spare tire situation instead.
    Front is built by the same guys as the rear. It's meant for the big tars. No worries.

    It's a nice story and one I'm sure you are more familiar with than most. But I don't really wanna convert it into an adventure mobile. In fact the times we've used it instead of green truck we just slept in the bed, under the stars. Long term plan is to change platforms entirely in 3 years time. So this is just taking green truck to the next level prior to it getting retired if you will.
     
  3. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:48 PM
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    Blackdawg [OP] Dr. Frankenstein

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    Okay.

    #1 - LT
    #2 - PS
    #3 - L/R Enfuse
    #4 - LR


    So first off, I screwed up the Pano comparison by not using the same kind, thats why one is rounder/taller than the other.

    That said, for me, the PS is clearly better as the LR one is very soft and the detail isn't there. I'm not sure why, because I have no idea wtf LR is doing to make the pano. There isn't any control and while I like the preview option in the new LR to be able to quickly see the different, this is a no go for me. I haven't tried the new version of PS yet so was still on CS6 but it was still much better looking all around to me.

    For the HDR set the LR also sucks. No control over anything. I also have no idea if I tweak the 3 frame any if LR uses the tweaks or just the RAW. Enfuse uses the tweaked images and is just much sharper and not soft.

    So basically I was hoping to use those two tools a lot in the new version as I like taking Panos and HDRs and I took HDR panos...but...not gonna happen. Much more control the other way and the fact the LR ones look soft is annoying. It's almost like the resolution gets stepped down.

    not sure that's as apparent in the web JPEGs but is very noticeable on my work station.

    All in all...disappointing. And not really worth keep the new version and falling into Adobe's damn subscription model..least not yet. Going to keep editing and trying it out to see what happens. I have 2 months free so worth a shot.
     
  4. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:51 PM
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    Blackdawg [OP] Dr. Frankenstein

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    14ga steel? Thats...way to thick dude.

    honestly...3 years? Seriously if that's the real time line then I wouldn't do it. Why? SO much work. I'd start a fund for the new truck, put all the money in there and put 35s on it in 3 years instead. Goes with the good ole saying "buy once, cry once".

    Not to burst the mod bug bubble but...that seems to make more sense then hacking up this truck. Might as well just keep on using the crap out of it for 3 more years.
     
  5. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:57 PM
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    Because in three years the 17 is paid off, the lease is up and we will be moving to a diesel that fits 37s without any modifications so that the green truck can grow to be an more capable crawling rig and eventually, I'm guessing, get a solid axle under it. Bit for 3 years I can play to bridge the gap between the two and learn a lot about wrenching in the process. I've gotten so bored with green truck that I actually thought about selling it multiple times in the last year.

    And 14ga is thick but is about as low as I can go with the stick welder. Concentrate the heat on the 14g that sheet metal and it might just work. Doubtful, hence the backup plan ;)
     
  6. Mar 25, 2020 at 9:57 PM
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    Blackdawg [OP] Dr. Frankenstein

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    Also @turbodb editing with the license plate covers is great. You should just bring a few that are idk...black for random people to put on haha
     
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  7. Mar 25, 2020 at 10:00 PM
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    hm not a bad plan I guess.


    And 14ga is too thick not because of the weld be because of forming it to fit. I tried 16ga and it was not going to happen. Think I explained that in the write up. I used 20ga to be able to form it into the space. You won't be able to bend the 14ga at all into a nice arch and bend it inwards. Not without beating the shit out of it with a hammer and then it won't ever ever ever be straight in the hole.

    Plus, the body is 20ga or thinner. THAT'S your real problem with that welder and why you will really just want a MIG :oops:
     
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  8. Mar 25, 2020 at 10:06 PM
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    Well see. I've gotta practice and see how thin i can go. The thing to remeber with this welding, unlike the frame plates I did, is this isn't for strength, it is to seal the area. So there's less concern for penetration and porosity in the weld. So we will see. MIG would be the easy way to do it no doubt. That's why they say anyone can mig weld.

    But we are getting too far ahead of ourselves. First I need to actually practice with the thinner metals and then I have to cut the fenders. Only then will I be ready to have an idea of I'm tackling the firewall. Worst case I borrow a mog from someone else at some point.
     
  9. Mar 25, 2020 at 10:11 PM
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    Blackdawg [OP] Dr. Frankenstein

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    Yeah..thats why 20ga is better..it's thinner...14 is thicker..no need for that thick at all.

    And its not that MIG is easy..its fucking not easy on the body. Your problem is it is so thin you just blow right through it. If you can't weld 20-22ga steel with the stick you're fucked. You'll just blow through it and make your hole bigger and bigger. That's my point.

    So skip the 14ga. Not worth the practice at all. Just get some 20ga and go from there because thats why you have to weld too and 20ga is the thickest stuff you'll be able to hand form in a nice way with just hand tools.

    Don't be dense :p Even though I know you are. Im just trying to save you hassle and time.
     
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    Yah, saves so much time (from not having to think about it). Have thought about some covers for random folks; problem is that I'm cheap, and the covers aren't. :rofl:

    Doood, talk about getting too far ahead of ourselves. A few days at home and suddenly 35s?, after years of being happy that you were out exploring all summer in a truck that didn't break shit like Frank b/c it wasn't right on the edge? The green truck on 33s is so much more capable than you give it credit for.

    Get that stump removed from the side yard to keep yourself busy. :p








    :luvya: You know I'm just giving you a hard time. Do whatever you want, of course. I mean, if you're going 35s, I think you should try LT as well. Will make a bigger difference than the 35s, if we're all being honest about things. I'd go that way first myself - way more comfortable travel (which is what you like about the orange truck).

    :stirthepot:
     
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  11. Mar 25, 2020 at 10:18 PM
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    LOL :laugh: that's fair!


    This...is proof...that slowly....very slowly...I'm working my way into your brain

    :gossip: "LT, 35s, Supercharger"

    Do it



    do it



    DO IT!

     
  12. Mar 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM
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    That would be a real advantage for you here. Because as a beginner MIG welder you'll still suck and it'll be better than your stick welding. Imagine how good it could be if you got good with a MIG. At least give yourself a Fighting Chance. I get 75% off FedEx shipping, I could probably just send you this spare welder.
     
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    Fuck it if he doesn't want it I do haha
     
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    :rofl:
     
  16. Mar 26, 2020 at 4:10 AM
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    I'll look into it more only read a couple articles on sheet metal with stick. Not ideal but so far it's working with what I got.
    A few days at home? Shit I'm still in the office. State got a 21 day lockdown yesterday and they ruled out operations "essential". So no bored at home going on yet.

    Speaking of the stump, can't cut it as low as I wanted because my bar isn't long enough. So I just cut it lower and just need to level it and fill the dirt back in. All that for nothing :anonymous:

    It's a wild hair for sure.

    And orange truck has things like cruise control, heated seats, sound deadening, etc. LT in the first gen fixes none of those comforts :laugh:

    I keep forgetting that offer. I just can't travel to pick it up my dude. Not with work how it is. Certainly interested when things change for the better though. I'll be up as soon as I can though, parents built a new house and the three of us need to grab a beer.

    Should fit in a corolla hatch you think?
     
  17. Mar 26, 2020 at 8:09 AM
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    You have a ways to go until you are reaching the limits of 33s @m3bassman. Just from what I noticed. I believe that you said something about the right tool for the job... Referring to a jeep for technical crawling when I did the hard line on the trail with you. I was on bald Coopers too, you mentioned you were not impressed with a few pages back. You do you, 35's do look awesome on these truck with minimal lift.

    Are you locked in the front yet? Real skid plates?
     
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    Yep.

    33 + two lockers will get you a lot farther than 35s and one.
     
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    Lockers, skids? Of course not.

    Ill just cut to the chase. They are like my snorkel. Doing it for looks and a fun project. If I'm lucky having bigger tires might further improve the ride off road. Besides that it is just a way to make my truck worse.
     
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  20. Mar 26, 2020 at 8:49 AM
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    definitely gonna make it worse without gears :p
     
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