XtraCab / No Rear Doors

Recently found out they are underslung leafs at that. Final nail for me, I'm keeping my Turd Gen.

 

Why is this bad? Serious question. Not familiar with this.

 

Less ground clearance, less articulation. Underslung leafs is a desert runner, prerunner thing, so I guess it makes sense on a Prerunner model.

Here's the new Prerunner with low-hanging underslung leaf.

 

Good reason for someone to make a lowering kit for it. I'd be all for seeing that.

 

How is Nissan getting away with it? Frontier was redesigned for ‘22. Probably won’t get another for 10 or so years.

https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-...ontier/2023/4x4/29654:BACB_:AhUgrAMy/exterior

 

I don't have the numbers, but I have a 22 king cab, and I feel like the cab is much smaller than the access cab Tacoma. Could be part of it.

 

Wonder if they got a pass because it is built on the same chassis as the previous generation, or perhaps when those crash standards come due they discontinue it. Maybe that is why Ford and GM axed theirs early.

 

Why the 2024 Toyota Tacoma Ditched the Extended Cab Suicide Doors (msn.com)
“We looked a little deeper and we saw that 50% of that 34,000 units, people are ordering rear-seat deletes. People aren’t carrying people, they’re carrying things. Stuff. Gear. So we said ‘Hmm, is there a better way to do this?’ Because to be perfectly candid, as we continue to look at side-impact and crashworthiness, it requires a lot to put the suicide doors in. We have to put in a lot of investment and we saw that market shrinking.

 

Took them awhile to figure out that most people who buy ACs, don’t haul people. We buy them for storage. They dropped the ball on doing it better, all we wanted was a rear seat delete and a better platform for stuff. Bought some DeWalt boxes that are darn near the same height as the built-ins. All we wanted was storage like what Goosegear is offering, but from the factory and keep the doors. That long gun storage on the back of the cab is pretty slick though.

Unfortunate there is no coil spring link rear suspension as an option on the Xtra Cab either.

 

Ill keep my 2nd gen. I was actually looking forward to possibly upgrading to the 4th gen. The power and mpg boost sounded appealing. This truck also looks more ascetic appealing than the 3rd gen to me. But the xtra cab kills it for me. I had a 1st gen xtra cab with the rear seats removed. I now have a 2nd gen with the seats removed and a custom built storage cabinet. The major difference between the two is that the ac cab side doors makes getting things in and out easier. It is also nice that my stock dogs can get in and out of the truck without climbing over the seats and center console. I do not want a double long bed because it is too long and the double cab short bed is too small to be useful to me. I can kind of see the point made by the toyota rep about cost and side impact crash worthiness. However, it is not like those savings will be past on to the consumer and toyota already knows how to design a suicide door for the access cab.

 

They're probably looking at upcoming side-impact regs to come into effect some time in the generation's product cycle. I think the pole-impact tests are now used by private lobbying groups like the IIHS, but not (yet) a DOT standard.

I think a fixed B-pillar with suicide doors would've been a better choice. A B-pillar is less intrusive if you don't have people in the back.

If Toyota made rock sliders standard, they'll pass every imaginable side impact test, but that'll be too much investment

 

Less ground clearance is the only drawback. Still more clearance than the lower links on the 4-link though. With SUA, the leafs are more arched at neutral ride height, so there's more uptravel.

I doubt most people will be able to detect a difference in ride and handling between the stock leafs and stock 4-link coil setup. Off road, the stock 4-link probably will have less articulation, judging by the current 4Runner.

 

i agree with you, here is mine. I love this truck...

 

We already established that it is about side impact crash test. The question is how is Nissan still being able to offer their King Cab, and Ford with their F-Series? The F250-350s just got a redesign too, that will most likely carry for another 8-10 years. Yeah, a b-pillar with clam shell doors would have been better.

Sure Ford and GM killed the mid-size version of the access cab, they also nixed the 6’ bed too, which is cost trimming measure.

Was already looking at jumping the fan boy Toyota ship, and going with Ford, looks like Toyota made my decision that much easier. Always something with Toyota they get wrong.

 

I thought you couldn’t order anything with Toyota? How many of these deletes were fleet trucks? I can still fit plenty of stuff with my rear seats folded. I still occasionally carry passengers and have a 6ft bed with the standard wheel base.

 

There are a bunch of commercial farms and ranches where we are, see the base SR ACs running around all the time here tending irrigation ditches. Salesman I bought mine off, said they’ll buy 10-20 of those at a time. Sure they have an inside deal they get, where us normal consumers don’t. Where the domestic commercial trucks are readily available to the public.

 

I use mine all the time. I admit the seats are folded up and I never have anyone back there. If there's a saving grace in the new extra cab, it's that the seats fold down completely flat so access to the rear isn't so awkward.

 

On the passenger side but not so sure about the driver’s side.

 

The video showed the drivers side has a quick slide mechanism to fold and slide forwards. You just pull up all the way on the recline lever.

Might not fold flat but it gets the seat out of the way just as much.