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Removing ABS "box"

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Trapperr, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Aug 10, 2017 at 1:07 AM
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    Trapperr

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    My tacoma has never had ABS and I am ok with that. I'd like to mount something like an air compressor or aux. battery in the space on the inner fender near the firewall under the hood.

    I see what looks like 4 brake lines going to it. How would I remove that unit from under the hood and still have working brakes. Is it even possible?
     
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  2. Aug 10, 2017 at 1:58 AM
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    Run new brake lines. But god forbid if you ever get in a serious accident were a disabling injury or fatality is involved and it's your fault. Altering the brake system like that could haunt you.

    example:

    Just imagine what would happen if one were to disable or remove your ABS, and then were involved in a fatality accident in wet/snowy/icy conditions.

    “So, Mr. Smith, you disabled the ABS on your car, and then skidded on ice running into and killing these three children and their 88 year old great-grandmother?”

    “And you decided to disable the ABS on your vehicle, the ABS mandated by federal law, designed by a team of engineers, and improved over the last 25 years, based on postings you saw on the Internet?”

    “And, once again, Mr. Smith, what exactly are your qualifications in brake system design? but at least you are a professional race car driver with decades of experience, right? No?”

    “Your Honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I would now like to sum up the case….”
     
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  3. Aug 10, 2017 at 9:57 AM
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    Makes it worse when you put it in that perspective. Interestingly enough, some models up until 1999 (afaik) did NOT have abs. I wonder if that would be a valid argument on a truck that is 99' or older. (atleast, thats the argument I will be using! Ditched abs for manual hubs)
     
  4. Aug 10, 2017 at 10:27 AM
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    The immediate counter argument for that would be, "what is an 88 year old senior doing driving in the middle of an icy winter with three kids in the car? That act alone is highly endangering. Her driving skills are highly likely to have been deteriorated at that age on top of the harsh weather conditions your honor." Remember there are always two sides to a coin.

    The next thing we are looking at here is mods. If you want to spin it that way they shouldn't sell mods at all because it could potentially alter the drivability of the vehicle.
     
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  5. Aug 10, 2017 at 11:09 AM
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    Isn't modification a verb? I just hate how "mods" is just used and thrown around now. And many times aftermarket parts state "For offroad use only."
     
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    Yeah I mean it technically is, but people know what you are referring to when you say that.

    A lot aftermarket parts do state that also you are right. Well, most of the time they do.
     
  7. Aug 10, 2017 at 12:36 PM
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    My former 2002 TRD Tacoma D-Cab PreRunner came OEM equipped *without* ABS.

    This is what I was pretty much thinking.... But to keep it closely related to the subject matter (brakes), what to say of "upgrading" your calipers to the popular 199mm or 231mm Tundra calipers?--*technically*, those calipers were not engineered for the 1st Gen Tacoma, nor the 3rd Gen 4Runner...so you are modifying the OEM, federally approved "version" of the vehicles braking system....
     
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  8. Aug 10, 2017 at 1:06 PM
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    Tundra upgrade is modifing the brakes system. But you're not removing a safety device.
     
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    If your truck never had ABS then it wouldn't have the abs controller with all the brake lines going into it. Your truck definitely has ABS.

    My 1999 does not have ABS and there is nothing mounted in that location on the passenger inner fender.
     
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    You are correct. I worded it poorly. The truck has the ABS equipment on it. The abs does not work and when I hook it up to the ODB scanner, it says "no abs found". I figured I could get rid of the abs equipment under the hood since it isn't functioning and basically taking a little usable space.
     
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  11. Jun 6, 2023 at 11:03 AM
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    Did you ever do this? I'd like to remove my ABS module. Mine is malfunctioning. I pulled the fuse and that fixed my brakes. They're good. I'd love to turn the ABS light off as well.....I'm eager to hear your solution if you ever did it.

    I have read the arguments and I'd still like to talk about subject, sorry if it a triggering thing but I think It's the best thing for my aging truck.

    I'd like to keep the brakes simple but effective. I fear keeping it in the truck cause it's not working properly and it's one less thing in the line from foot to brakes.

    I'm running a 2006 2nd gen.
     
  12. Jun 6, 2023 at 5:05 PM
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    Do some searching... Someone created a very nice thread on fully removing the ABS system, has OEM parts for all the hard lines for non-ABS trucks so it's just as simple as removing the current stuff and mounting up the non-ABS lines, then bleeding/purging.
     
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    Yeah I'm all for toyota mods.....they didnt get it right on a lot of things...

    But this one is different....

    When abs fails, it just defaults to normal......what is normal...standards over last half century....

    I dont like clutter ....I've redone all my hoses in the engine bay...cold air intake...straight headers...

    But here's the deal....the cab rocks on the frame....so everything has to give between the two...

    The hardlines use loops and curves to dance that dance....
    If you install new lines and get any of that wrong......you'll have a hardline snap on you....complete loss of pressure.....

    If not completely broke....I wouldnt touch that....
     
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    i think it has a lot to do with if you learned to drive before ABS brakes or with them.

    my self I hate having a computer doing the braking.

    Does that mean if you swap in parts that are fitted for abs sensors you then need to install the rest of the system??
     
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    Pickups already have the deck stacked against them....
    they're not good racing machines.....and stop about as good....

    If you have abs ....it could save you some day.....I would take care of that and treasure....

    Best damn brakes....are new tires.....
    ......spoil your truck....and maybe it'll let you live...

    I replace my tires at half life.....this is not the place to save some coin.....


    And it kills me.....back in high school I drove Michelins past the second steel belt....
    on a mercury capri......cops threaten to tow me all the time....

    I have no ideal how to bleed abs....so I'd be screwed.....
     
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    Mine is Malfunctioning to the point I'm blowing stop signs cause the ABS wouldn't allow the brakes to engage for long enough.

    I pulled the ABS Fuse #1. ABS is disabled. BUT I still get codes for ABS wheel speed sensors. C1239 metal on wheel speed sensor. Should I be concerned about this code with the ABS fuse pulled?

    I have a 2006 second gen but nobody wants to talk about this subject on that forum. That's the reason I couldn't find the proper threads on this subject. I think the ABS module is discontinued at this point.

    Thanks
     
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    On my 02 I cut the fuse and pulled the bulb and all is good. It got old having the ABS activating for no reason on a 100* day when it hasn’t rained in a couple months.
     
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