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Frame rust recall

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by markey, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Jan 31, 2019 at 7:36 PM
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    bobsuruncle

    bobsuruncle I void warranties

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    This is you only option unless you find a sympathetic dealership. I got lucky with my 06, my 12yrs since 1st use is up, but Toyota extended it to the 31st of this month. I got the ball rolling before the 31st and I'm grandfathered in. Pending a corporate inspection next week.

    It's been a 5 days so far, and by the 6th it will have been an 11 day process just to find out if I qualify. It shouldn't be this hard when it's so obvious it qualifies.

    One dealership said I created the hole, the next tried to say it was a hole from the manufacturing process.
     
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  2. Feb 1, 2019 at 9:20 AM
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    Wow, your experiences so far seem extremely unlucky. I hope the decision is in your favor.

    Im amazed at how different all of these dealers react to the frame perforations. You would think they'd be all over these swaps based on how much the dealer bills corporate for the work.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2019 at 3:43 PM
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    Which dealership are you using? I called the one in Bremerton and they said they never even inspected a frame for failure let alone replace one so I'm definitely not going there.

    What's the date for the cutoff currently anyway
     
  4. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:16 PM
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    bobsuruncle

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    Toyota of Bellevue. They brushed me off on my first inspection in 2015 and essentially did the same last Saturday until I bad mouthed them online.

    The cut off for 05/06 trucks to qualify was 1-31-19. And for the 07-10 it's 12yrs from date of first use, aka when it was originally sold and rolled off the lot. So if your trucks 1st use date was 2-1-07 today was the last day. Or if you have a 2010, covered till 2022.

    My hole was right under the driver's seat inside the frame next to the catalytic converter. Toyota of kirkland escalated my frame to the warranty dept immediately, where bellevue said it was fine, twice, in a 3.5yr period.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:18 PM
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    Do you have a picture of the hole?
     
  6. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:24 PM
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    Check post #3371 of this thread, which Robert uploaded a picture of the hole.
     
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  7. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:27 PM
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    bobsuruncle

    bobsuruncle I void warranties

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    Here's a few different views. First pic shows another compromised soft spot next to my fingee where the inside is rotten and a crack leading to it from the exposed hole to the right. Looks fine outside but it is paper thin and I could take a SAK can opener to it and fillet my frame. Just pushing it with your finger causes deformation/flex.

    Whats odd is the manufacturing hole in the top right is still thick, over 2x thicker, and shows no signs of deterioration.

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  8. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:40 PM
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    I think what happens to these frames and why you see so many holes in that area is the salt/brine/debris getting kicked up by the front tires, with it being stuck between the 2 metal layers. The heat of the catalytic converters just accelerates the corrosion.

    I wonder what the thinking was of Toyota when they made the frame of 2 metal layers instead of just one? :confused:
     
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  9. Feb 1, 2019 at 10:44 PM
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    I agree. Combine with off-road use dirt and gavel fines build up inside the boxed section plugging the drain holes right below that spot and it just eats away where you can't see the damage till it's a big problem.
     
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  10. Feb 2, 2019 at 7:15 AM
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    The general manager at the local dealership is helping me out after I went in there and was able to talk to him and say, all I want is for you guys to get the field rep out here to look at my frame. You guys said he is here once a week-ish, so please make it happen." They are being helpful and supposedly going to call me Monday, Feb 4 when the rep is in.

    Since then I have been inspecting my frame and exposed two holes. One is where there are two factory holes in the frame on the bottom side near the catalytic converter on the passenger side. I discovered the soft spots and was able to push through them with my finger. It measures 12mm without me trying to open it any further. The next was a place along a weld joint in the Same general area. This one was VERY soft and I was able to push through with my fingers and my little six inch square blade. This measures 20mm x 30mm. It is very scary how easily I found these places that I was certain were just surface rust. 49CD3609-465E-4CFD-8B67-0D1CA33836A4.jpg
     
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  11. Feb 2, 2019 at 7:43 AM
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    I can understand their hesitation with your claim. That hole doesn't look like natural corrosion. I am not saying that it isn't. Just looks "weird".
     
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  12. Feb 2, 2019 at 7:46 AM
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    My 08 went in for its frame replacement. The dealership did a first-rate job. I replaced the front and rear shocks and links while I was at it. Cost me about $40 in additional labor. It rides so much nicer!
     
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  13. Feb 2, 2019 at 10:19 AM
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    I want that same experience!!!!!
     
  14. Feb 2, 2019 at 11:42 AM
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    What is most concerning to me is the internal rust. The outside looks fine, but is paper thin. It's not thicker than a soda can, and I can take a can opener to it peeling it back.
     
  15. Feb 2, 2019 at 1:18 PM
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    So, went under the Tacoma and examined really closely around the front cats, etc - and I must be one of the lucky ones. There is barely any rust at all on my frame. Barely any discoloration. I guess because my truck doesn't really get hammered with salt where I am though it does sit outside. Left and right side by the cats pictured. Some on one side but should come off pretty easily with a Harbor Freight needler and acid. I think I am going to get under the truck and rust proof the frame and remove the tiny rust spots. Just to have peace of mind.

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/frame-restoration-did-it-myself.368199/

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  16. Feb 2, 2019 at 1:54 PM
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    Yep. Road salt in northern states is what kills these trucks.
     
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  17. Feb 2, 2019 at 2:03 PM
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    With the Tacoma's long history of frame rust, Toyota should advise owners of this and recommend applying an undercoating like Fluid Film externally and internally, for people living where calcium chloride/brine is put on roads. All the owners manual recommends is hosing down the undercarriage, which as we have all seen isn't enough to stop corrosion.
     
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  18. Feb 2, 2019 at 2:10 PM
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    100% agreed. And dealer installed undercoatings should be a thing of the past. A previous owner had it done and today I looked under my 2013 and found a piece where it was chipping off. What was under it? Rust. My whole frame probably has accelerated rust because of something done by the dealer to prevent it.
     
  19. Feb 2, 2019 at 2:28 PM
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    I had my frame undercoated with CRC by the dealership in 2014 and is holding up well. The reason I think mine is still looking good is that after the CRC undercoating, I have applied Fluid Film over it every fall to keep it soft/waxy and not flaking which could let moisture and oxygen get to the frame.
     
  20. Feb 2, 2019 at 9:33 PM
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    That's crazy man. I hope you get some help with this.
     

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