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dnlskier · May 29, 2019

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I don’t know if you know this, but you need California more than California needs you. We could isolate that state, and it could exist indefinitely, and maintain control of the globe based on ports, military power, resources, and agriculture. Sell your Tacoma

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - I would vote it out right now - okay I will keep State of Jefferson areas, you can have the rest.

stun gun · May 29, 2019

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He has two valid points though,

1) What is the Official safe fording depth? / Water level?

2) What is that Max Incline?

If Toyota won't say what it is but will deny warranty based on those parameters, then HIS POINTS ARE VALID.

Dealer screwed up with the Hydrolocking diagnosis from water, maybe. My gut says it was from oil in the cylinder , but without looking at the Engine myself or talking to the tech, it's just a best guess.

You guys knew that the lowest computers in these trucks are located inside the frame rails by the front of the front doors right? One is for the HP fuel pump I believe.... Yes they are supposed to be sealed, and yes the have waterproof connectors with O-ring seals (O-rings aging and shrinking/cracking etc) in them but... then all the other electronic gadgetry hanging off transmissions and transfer cases etc. Lol look at where the ABS sensors are...

Official response (if there ever is one) will probably recommend water depth no more than the bottom of the frame rails.
Age of the truck, manufacturing variation, dwell time in the water will create a probability matrix that would make it impossible to give you and accurate "guess" what the safe #'s are past that point. Until you get to the Obvious failure levels (air intake, internal passenger area computers).
So with that logic

Fine upto the bottom of the frame, This is were your warranty is safe.
Might have a problem past there depending on how long you are in the water, this is where your warranty is in jeopardy.
Once you get water into the passenger compartment upto the pedals or into the air intake, your warranty is null and void. Like trying to claim warranty on flood damage, not gonna happen.

But I'm not an Engineer from Toyota, so my opinion is just on the pile of other opinions.

Incline angle is a lot harder to say or even get a feel of with all the anecdotal testimony here closest I can figure out is it's somewhere past 30-35 degrees pitch,
what was the Roll when this was happening? Does it happen only when you're Rolled towards the passenger side, been like that for how many minutes?

Bad/weak valve guide or valve stem seal(s) might contribute to this also, oil return placement and size as well as a host of other things can contribute to this issue.

Here is a shot in the dark giving the benefit of the doubt to they person with the issue.

While on a 35 degree Pitch and a 20 degree passenger side roll, the oil started pooling in the rocker cover. Pressing on the gas then letting it off suddenly increases the vacuum in the cylinder and pulls oil past a marginal valve stem seal, unburnt oil and carbon accumulated in that passenger rear cylinder until internal pressures exceeded design parameters and the connecting rod bent.
During the drive home and pulling a heavy load the connecting rod finally failed.

Engineers at Toyota can say almost exactly what angles and times it will take before you go outside a safe zone for the truck, problem is getting the sales guys to let them release that information.

** Trying to get even a seat of your pants idea of facts on this site sometimes can be soooo hard, it's like trying to pick the pepper from the flyshit with trolls screaming in your ears while turning fans on. **

Smoking on an incline happens in most vehicles unless they were specifically designed to run that way, only different parameters are how much and how long.

We just gotta get the trolls distracted somewhere else and maybe we can get a better idea of roughly where the safe spots are for climbing in a Tacoma.

We might be able to go 35 deg Pitch with 20 degrees roll on passenger for 10 mins, but could go 50deg Pitch with a 20 deg roll on driver side for 20 mins, not real numbers but we have to disperse the trolls so we can gather the facts.
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Strange. I don’t seem to have a high pressure fuel pump computer.

You chose...poorly.

stun gun · May 29, 2019

dnlskier said: ↑

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - I would vote it out right now - okay I will keep State of Jefferson areas, you can have the rest.
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Trust me keep San Diego and Long Beach.

Jefferson... meh.

I don’t want any of it, personally. Which is why I moved away.

Relocate the fab shops and let the zombies flood and overtake Orange County.

stun gun · May 29, 2019

daks said: ↑

He has two valid points though,

We might be able to go 35 deg Pitch with 20 degrees roll on passenger for 10 mins, but could go 50deg Pitch with a 20 deg roll on driver side for 20 mins, not real numbers but we have to disperse the trolls so we can gather the facts.
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TD90S · May 29, 2019

daks said: ↑

He has two valid points though,

1) What is the Official safe fording depth? / Water level?

2) What is that Max Incline?

If Toyota won't say what it is but will deny warranty based on those parameters, then HIS POINTS ARE VALID.

Dealer screwed up with the Hydrolocking diagnosis from water, maybe. My gut says it was from oil in the cylinder , but without looking at the Engine myself or talking to the tech, it's just a best guess.

You guys knew that the lowest computers in these trucks are located inside the frame rails by the front of the front doors right? One is for the HP fuel pump I believe.... Yes they are supposed to be sealed, and yes the have waterproof connectors with O-ring seals (O-rings aging and shrinking/cracking etc) in them but... then all the other electronic gadgetry hanging off transmissions and transfer cases etc. Lol look at where the ABS sensors are...

Official response (if there ever is one) will probably recommend water depth no more than the bottom of the frame rails.
Age of the truck, manufacturing variation, dwell time in the water will create a probability matrix that would make it impossible to give you and accurate "guess" what the safe #'s are past that point. Until you get to the Obvious failure levels (air intake, internal passenger area computers).
So with that logic

Fine upto the bottom of the frame, This is were your warranty is safe.
Might have a problem past there depending on how long you are in the water, this is where your warranty is in jeopardy.
Once you get water into the passenger compartment upto the pedals or into the air intake, your warranty is null and void. Like trying to claim warranty on flood damage, not gonna happen.

But I'm not an Engineer from Toyota, so my opinion is just on the pile of other opinions.

Incline angle is a lot harder to say or even get a feel of with all the anecdotal testimony here closest I can figure out is it's somewhere past 30-35 degrees pitch,
what was the Roll when this was happening? Does it happen only when you're Rolled towards the passenger side, been like that for how many minutes?

Bad/weak valve guide or valve stem seal(s) might contribute to this also, oil return placement and size as well as a host of other things can contribute to this issue.

Here is a shot in the dark giving the benefit of the doubt to they person with the issue.

While on a 35 degree Pitch and a 20 degree passenger side roll, the oil started pooling in the rocker cover. Pressing on the gas then letting it off suddenly increases the vacuum in the cylinder and pulls oil past a marginal valve stem seal, unburnt oil and carbon accumulated in that passenger rear cylinder until internal pressures exceeded design parameters and the connecting rod bent.
During the drive home and pulling a heavy load the connecting rod finally failed.

Engineers at Toyota can say almost exactly what angles and times it will take before you go outside a safe zone for the truck, problem is getting the sales guys to let them release that information.

** Trying to get even a seat of your pants idea of facts on this site sometimes can be soooo hard, it's like trying to pick the pepper from the flyshit with trolls screaming in your ears while turning fans on. **

Smoking on an incline happens in most vehicles unless they were specifically designed to run that way, only different parameters are how much and how long.

We just gotta get the trolls distracted somewhere else and maybe we can get a better idea of roughly where the safe spots are for climbing in a Tacoma.

We might be able to go 35 deg Pitch with 20 degrees roll on passenger for 10 mins, but could go 50deg Pitch with a 20 deg roll on driver side for 20 mins, not real numbers but we have to disperse the trolls so we can gather the facts.
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I agree with what your saying but both of those parameters are common sense.
Water ford depth will depend on what you want to protect. If you care about the interior, the bottom of the door.
Engine, lowest point of the air box.
Don’t forget axle, transmission and transfer case vents.
Then you have to take into account speed. Fording water is always a risky thing. Driver takes the responsibility, period.
The lawyers will never allow Toyota to publish those numbers.
In the end Toyota (and other manufacturers) expect the owners to use their head. Or off road at your own risk/expense.

Personally I’ll take my truck “off road” and have but it’s not a Can Am side by side or a 25 year old 4X4 that I’m going to do stupid shit in.

The warranty isn’t there to protect people from stupid. That’s what insurance is for.

Edit
The more I think about this he should be thankful Toyota fixed his truck under warranty.
And how does this asshat thank them?
With a web page letting everyone know how much of a bitch he his....
Dumbass, even his wife is embarrassed

stun gun · May 29, 2019

TD90S said: ↑

I agree with what your saying but both of those parameters are common sense.
Water ford depth will depend on what you want to protect. If you care about the interior, the bottom of the door.
Engine, lowest point of the air box.
Don’t forget axle, transmission and transfer case vents.
Then you have to take into account speed. Fording water is always a risky thing. Driver takes the responsibility, period.
The lawyers will never allow Toyota to publish those numbers.
In the end Toyota (and other manufacturers) expect the owners to use their head. Or off road at your own risk/expense.

Personally I’ll take my truck “off road” and have but it’s not a Can Am side by side or a 25 year old 4X4 that I’m going to do stupid shit in.

The warranty isn’t there to protect people from stupid. That’s what insurance is for.
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This. Toyota isn’t selling water balloons to kids. Everything is carefully thought over with the intent to protect them from being liable for someone’s dipshit moment. I don’t blame them.

ItsSadButDrew · May 29, 2019

I dont want to say what I've put my 16' OR through at Windrock TN or muddy Pisgah backroads during recent floods because the dealer offers me a good trade in on a new '19 just when I want to upgrade to a DCLB.
BUUUTTTT that guy is so mad he buys a domain name and put what? probably put a days work into this site rather than just calling to consult a lawyer that would have charged 90$ or the better business bureau for free? or the UL? or who the hell knows who else would take a case he presents so cut and dry?

I am not saying he hasn't got valid complaints but this community would be the data pool that says this isn't typical. This method of being a squeeky wheel is suspicious in our consumer based society.

Paul631 · May 29, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WYDv6VL-Z8

OP, you going to get a Ranger?

AZF1504x4 · May 29, 2019

smoking on inclines wtf ...well at least they don’t have to worry about replacing turbos on a engine with way more torque and useful hp at all rpm ranges

Stocklocker · May 29, 2019

daks said: ↑

He has two valid points though,

1) What is the Official safe fording depth? / Water level?

2) What is that Max Incline?

If Toyota won't say what it is but will deny warranty based on those parameters, then HIS POINTS ARE VALID.

Dealer screwed up with the Hydrolocking diagnosis from water, maybe. My gut says it was from oil in the cylinder , but without looking at the Engine myself or talking to the tech, it's just a best guess.

You guys knew that the lowest computers in these trucks are located inside the frame rails by the front of the front doors right? One is for the HP fuel pump I believe.... Yes they are supposed to be sealed, and yes the have waterproof connectors with O-ring seals (O-rings aging and shrinking/cracking etc) in them but... then all the other electronic gadgetry hanging off transmissions and transfer cases etc. Lol look at where the ABS sensors are...

Official response (if there ever is one) will probably recommend water depth no more than the bottom of the frame rails.
Age of the truck, manufacturing variation, dwell time in the water will create a probability matrix that would make it impossible to give you and accurate "guess" what the safe #'s are past that point. Until you get to the Obvious failure levels (air intake, internal passenger area computers).
So with that logic

Fine upto the bottom of the frame, This is were your warranty is safe.
Might have a problem past there depending on how long you are in the water, this is where your warranty is in jeopardy.
Once you get water into the passenger compartment upto the pedals or into the air intake, your warranty is null and void. Like trying to claim warranty on flood damage, not gonna happen.

But I'm not an Engineer from Toyota, so my opinion is just on the pile of other opinions.

Incline angle is a lot harder to say or even get a feel of with all the anecdotal testimony here closest I can figure out is it's somewhere past 30-35 degrees pitch,
what was the Roll when this was happening? Does it happen only when you're Rolled towards the passenger side, been like that for how many minutes?

Bad/weak valve guide or valve stem seal(s) might contribute to this also, oil return placement and size as well as a host of other things can contribute to this issue.

Here is a shot in the dark giving the benefit of the doubt to they person with the issue.

While on a 35 degree Pitch and a 20 degree passenger side roll, the oil started pooling in the rocker cover. Pressing on the gas then letting it off suddenly increases the vacuum in the cylinder and pulls oil past a marginal valve stem seal, unburnt oil and carbon accumulated in that passenger rear cylinder until internal pressures exceeded design parameters and the connecting rod bent.
During the drive home and pulling a heavy load the connecting rod finally failed.

Engineers at Toyota can say almost exactly what angles and times it will take before you go outside a safe zone for the truck, problem is getting the sales guys to let them release that information.

** Trying to get even a seat of your pants idea of facts on this site sometimes can be soooo hard, it's like trying to pick the pepper from the flyshit with trolls screaming in your ears while turning fans on. **

Smoking on an incline happens in most vehicles unless they were specifically designed to run that way, only different parameters are how much and how long.

We just gotta get the trolls distracted somewhere else and maybe we can get a better idea of roughly where the safe spots are for climbing in a Tacoma.

We might be able to go 35 deg Pitch with 20 degrees roll on passenger for 10 mins, but could go 50deg Pitch with a 20 deg roll on driver side for 20 mins, not real numbers but we have to disperse the trolls so we can gather the facts.
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I’m pretty sure launching a website to smear Toyota, over something that is likely a personal mistake, makes the author of the original article the KING of ALL TROLLs.

Just sayin’........I don’t think it was ever about knowledge and the truth. It was just about entitlement and free repairs, or something like that.

stun gun · May 29, 2019

AZF1504x4 said: ↑

smoking on inclines wtf ...well at least they don’t have to worry about replacing turbos on a engine with way more torque and useful hp at all rpm ranges
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Hey it’s this guy. Long time no see.

AZF1504x4 · May 29, 2019

stun gun said: ↑

Hey it’s this guy. Long time no see.
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I’m always around ... I’m the wind at your back, the sun on your face

bijick · May 29, 2019

Boghog1 said: ↑

Yes it is true, he bought a Tacoma, wheeled it and broke it and wanted toyota to cover his abuse and they wouldn't. Why is that unbelievable?
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Hahaha wow this response is gold.

Mother fuckers engine broke going up an incline, crossing a creek and that’s abuse? Hilarious.

Seriously you don’t take issue with a sedan motor not getting oil up a certain incline degree? Seriously?

mynewtoy · May 29, 2019

I don't get what you guy's don't get about car engine vs truck engine.

When designing an engine for a Lexus car, would you think about the vehicle being at 35* angles? Hell no, if a Lexus car is at a 35* angle you have bigger problems.
Now, if your designing an engine for a truck that's capable of climbing 35* plus hills you should probably consider how it's going to drain the oil back into the oil pan.

Toyota skipped the designing an engine for the application and threw an engine designed for a car in the 3rd gens.
which is not a bad thing for 99.9% of people that will buy one and never take it up a 35* hill

Cudgel · May 29, 2019

The whole thing smells of scam. Do a Whois on the domain and it’s masked. I but it’s a reverse marketing site for a competitor who purposely staged the adverse conditions in a systematic way.

ItsSadButDrew · May 29, 2019

I AM SO MAD I AM BUING THE F******G DOMAIN NAME. https://media.giphy.com/media/1aPQYGgIrcnMQ/giphy.gif

mynewtoy · May 29, 2019

Cudgel said: ↑

The whole thing smells of scam. Do a Whois on the domain and it’s masked. I but it’s a reverse marketing site for a competitor who purposely staged the adverse conditions in a systematic way.
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https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/smoking-while-on-a-incline.511373/
go read this

Cudgel · May 29, 2019

mynewtoy said: ↑

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/smoking-while-on-a-incline.511373/
go read this
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I’m not debating you can push these trucks beyond their limits...I’m commenting on the motives of the web site.

Stoked · May 29, 2019

Itchyfeet said: ↑

Drinks craft beer that no one has ever heard of - Beard smells like a day old Tuna sandwich - Knowledge base is strictly from Reddit - Wife doesn't want her face shown because she knows he fucked up and drove through a 20 inch deep stream- Doesn't understand that Jeep doesn't give a fording depth - Uses gender neutral language - Uses soft language - Quit is job because dad croaked and left him a pile of money - Thinks Enron Husk is a god - Sits down when he pees - Once wore a maxi-pad during a woman's march just so he could feel the oppression - Wants to be a YouTube Instaham social media influencer when he grows up- The type of guy to accuse you of being negative just because you said the weather sucks- Has mom issues - Didn't have enough common sense to file a claim with his insurance company - Hates to admit he's wrong
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Forgot to mention his fondness for soy based food products...I can see it in his smile.

hallux · May 29, 2019

The guys website says to buy a Jeep.... but I ask why?

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Smoking on steep inclines - 2012 JKUR
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I was out at an Offroad park today and noticed on real steep inclines white smoke would start pouring out of the exhaust. It stopped when back on a flat surface or downhill. Any ideas? My JK is bone stock minus the lift.
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