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bot102 · Nov 6, 2019

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Put me on that list, looking at a new gen5 G19 or G19x
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bot102 · Nov 7, 2019

FEELER: Looking at selling my front suspension in order to help fund new coilovers. $450/OBO

It is the TRD Baja front suspension. TRD branded/"tuned" Ext Travel Bilstein 6112's with Eibach Red 650lbs springs. NOT a true coilover.

Roughly 14-16k miles on them. Vast majority being road miles

Will fit 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen. Discontinued from Toyota when the Baja package died.

I am fully aware of the BST rule about parts must be off the truck in order to sell.
What I'd be looking to do is get an interested buyer of them, then order my coilovers. When coilovers get in, I'd take my old out, give to buyer and exchange funds when buyer has suspension in hand. No funds exchanged prior to the suspension being off my truck and in your hand. Would be about 3-4 days for shipping of my new coilovers to get in.

See this thread for an EXCELLENT review/measurements of the kit

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End result: stock left, lifted right

Valving
When looking at suspension setups, something you should consider is whether you want Digressive or Progressive shocks. Progressive shocks increase resistance the more you compress them, meaning soft at first and the more you compress the firmer the shock becomes. This translates to a soft ride good for slow speed technical trails. Digressive shocks reduce resistance the more you compress them, meaning very firm at first and soften the more you compress on them. This translates to firmer sporty handling on the street and then soften when taking larger hits off road.

As solid mid-budget popular options, OME makes Progressive shocks, while Bilstein makes Digressive, though many other brands are available as well. I've run both and while they are both quality products, they each behave very differently.

Springs
You should also consider spring rate for how firm you'd like the suspension to ride and if you need any extra weight handling ability. Stock TRD is 550lbs. Pro is 600lbs, Baja is 650lbs. Softer springs will make for improved soft comfort off road, while sacrificing on road performance with more body roll and nose dive. Each vehicle will have different needs depending on the modifications, a truck with an ARB front bumper and winch is going to need a much heavier spring to account for the additional weight for the same lift vs a truck with a stock front end.

TRD Baja
Looking for a mild lift, with a mild tire increase, while increasing street performance and extending travel, I found TRD Engineers had already been there and done that. Not with the Pro, but before that with the Baja. Meaning the negative points had been mitigated by the factory engineering team for Toyota to give the OEM Warranty stamp of approval. I like factory solutions when available due to the quality and attention to detail.

The digressively valved Bilstein TRD Baja kit (part# PTR13-35120) features oversized front Bilstein 2.5" shocks providing 1.75" front lift with 1.5" extended travel, and large rear Bilstein 2.0" remote reservoir rear shocks providing an additional 1" of travel. The Baja front springs have a 650lb spring rate, compared to 550lb TRD stock, 600lb TRD Pro. The front spring perches are offset so the driver side is about 1/4" higher to counter the Taco lean from the factory.

The great thing about properly engineered systems is in the details. The TRD Baja gains an additional 1.5" of extended travel using new lower profile TRD bump stops that are swapped out with the lift. The rear end hard brake lines are dropped for extended droop with a brake line bracket drop kit. The 1.75" lift negates the need for control arm changes and can still meet factory alignment specs. Features you don't often see in any aftermarket kit.

Disclaimer: Yes there are other more 'cost effective' lifts. This is not the cheapest or best bang for the buck. I wanted something different, mild, and professionally tuned for the specific application from the factory.

Rear leafs
While the Baja levels the front end, I wanted to maintain my factory rake and improve the rear suspension as well. I do use my truck for light homeowner duty, and dislike the sagging rear end when loaded. IMO it would sag too much just sitting on the tailgate with the stock springs. While new leaf packs are a good way to go, it seemed like a waste on a truck that was brand new, so I looked at AALs. Single leaf AAL tend to ride immensely harsh. A 3-leaf progressive AAL rides softer and gets progressively firmer as it is compressed for optimum ride quality. I went with Icon 1.5" AAL, though Wheelers/Headstong/Toytec all offer the same product under different branding. I removed the overload spring reducing height from 2.0" to 1.5" (I don't do heavy hauling or towing) with the AAL install, as this is supposed to provide a better ride. According to Icon removing the overload reduces capacity by 10%, although in my experience driving the truck moderately loaded handled better with the Icon leafs and no overloads than stock with overloads. Removing the overload also allows you to reuse the factory u-bolts, though longer u-bolts are included with the Icons. Factory hardware is usually higher quality than aftermarket hardware, so it should be reused in favor of aftermarket whenever applicable. Reusing my existing U-bolts also saves the trouble of cutting down the new ones since they were extended length.

Install
I didn't take pics of the full kit pre-install. See the 'Because Baja' thread for additional reference.

Rear shock comparison

There have been debates on extended shock length in the past, so I took theses:

Approx 1 3/8" longer than stock in the rear

While trdparts4u.com says "you will also need to order 2 of the PTR13-35120-AE brackets for the rear remote reservoirs," this is incorrect. The mounting brackets are included in the Baja kit and do not need to be purchased seperately.

Picture of the bracket mounted using the factory frame holes, with the nice bump out to account for the factory welds. Good attention to detail. Note that the reservoir must be placed in the bracket before mounting, otherwise there is not clearance between the reservoir and shock body to insert the reservoir later.

Fully mounted with AAL

Booted shock bodies tend to trap moisture leading to corrosion. This can lead to debate for aftermarket shocks to run booted to protect the shock shaft or bootless to protect against corrosion. The TRD units had many venting holes around the attachment points of the boot to prevent moisture buildup. Again, good attention to detail.

The AAL install was easy, remove the u-bolts, detach the brake line from the overload, remove the bump stop, remove the overload and insert the AAL with the longer side to the rear of the truck. I did not have to cut any spring retaining clamps, though you do have to cut the center pin to size down to size to reinstall the bump stop.

The overload does contain the brake line mounting bracket, so with the removal of the overload, the mount location is lost. I did a flex test with the brake line unmounted and with the 1.5" increase in lift of the AAL, the previous mounting location would have pulled the brakes line too tight anyway. Mine currently is not mounted to the leaf.

Upfront

Note the second lower ring shown for adjustment to counter the Taco lean. This is a picture of the driver side, using the upper ring:

Extended travel (short) front bump stops installed:

Before:

After:

Measurements after are center hub to fender 23" rear, 22" front. This is a mild lift. The 'Because Baja' thread has more pics.

One of the few complaints the Baja kit gets is surface corrosion issues. This sounds like it was solved on the Pro with additional zinc platting. I sprayed all new components with Fluid Film after reading reviews on TW to prevent any corrosion issues. I think Fluid Film is my new favorite spray can, I also used it on the rear leafs to prevent any squeaks during assembly. While I don't have corrosion issues, if I were to do it again I would spray the shock bodies in clear coat, paying special attention to not hit the shock shaft. Only because fluid film is a maintenance solution whereas clear coat would be a permanent solution.

Driving impressions
With my overdriven supercharger, this Baja suspension and selecting a light weight wheel/tire combo, you'd swear a German car company built this truck. The suspension is firm and controlled, the oversized digressive shocks handle like a sporty car on the street but soak up any large hits thrown their way while the 650lb springs keep the truck handling flat in the corners. Far more preferable to the soft stock TRD off road. I am glad I didn't go with the softer spring rate Pro kit. The rear end feels much more stable than stock as well. The Baja with the 3-leaf AAL feels like it was born for speed. From others I have talked to that drove both the consensus was the Pro had more nose dive when braking, more body roll, and overall and was a softer setup. The Baja has very little nose dive or body roll and handles very well. The Baja ride is stiffer at slow speeds off road, unless you are Baja racing and taking things at speed, in which case the Baja eats it right up.

Similar solution
While I went with an OEM setup, a similar setup is available for cheaper using Bilstein 6112 and 5165s which are the same shock assemblies, though not tuned by TRD, and usually paired with a softer spring and do not include extended travel bump stops, brake line drop brackets or account for the taco lean without an additional spacer.

Part numbers
Baja TX Pro kit (PTR13-35120)
Icon Progressive AAL (5-1100)
You do not need to purchase: TRD Remote reservoir bracket (PTR13-35120-AE). This is included in (PTR13-35120)

Update
Part numbers to purchase the brake line spacers and extended travel bump stops separately, for use with the 6112s, often cumulatively referred to as the Baja hardware kit. Credit to @JD'STaco for the part numbers and the picture below.

90461-10616 Clamp (driver side extended brake line clamp)
PTR13-35120-AD TRD Suspension hardware kit (main brake line spacer, and bump stop washers)
48304-04090 Spring Bumper (front extended travel bump stops)

NOTE: Bilstien 5160 rear remote resi shocks included a brake line spacer kit part #B4-XB1-Z096A02. It contains 1 spacer - 1 brake line clamp - 1 hex head cap screw and washer. (Missing front bump stop washers compared to the OEM hardware kit).

Additional photo of the bump stop differences (Baja left, stock right):

Comparison pics
Parked next to a stock AC TRD off-road, even in MGM. I snapped some pics for easy side by side comparison before and after Baja lift plus tires.

Testing
Off road out at the funny rocks (I wasn't the one who filmed vertically):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIHAhINLRfI

Update 9/11/2018
On my last outing I needed a bit more ground clearance, and now new skids... While I wanted to add more ground clearance, I still wanted the truck to be a balanced build without adding performance robbing heavier tires.

I reinstalled the overloads, added 1/4" top plate spacer to the passenger side for ~1/2" more lift and despite Toyotas efforts to counter the Taco lean in the Baja kit, it is still there. So I added a 1/2" top plate spacer to the driver side to resolve the Taco lean once and for all.

1/2"+ rear lift gain
~1/2" passenger side lift
~1" driver side lift - now level!!!

Then I bumped the tire side from 265/70R17 C-load to 255/75/R17 C-load. Diameter increases from 31.5 to 32, or about the same as running 275s (32.2) while inflicting only a ~1lb weight gain over 265s compared to over 8lbs gain for 275s. And they will hopefully avoiding rubbing issues by running the slightly skinnier tire with my increased offset TRD wheels and low profile Rokblokz flaps. The 10mm width difference is only 5mm per side, meaning a virtually unnoticeable change of 3/16" in reduction in how far the tire sticks out.

To keep alignment precisely dialed in, I added SPC light racing UCAs. These have the most adjustability of all the UCAs, retain a sealed ball joints with extended operating range, unlike maintenance heavy exposed uniballs that end up needing rebuilds. The SPC UCAs also have a unique maintenance free rubber-in-polly bushings that allow stock like rubber maintenance free quietness of operation with improved polly performance over stock. Most all other brands use polly bushings which should be greased with a graphite lubricant to keep them quiet and becomes an additional maintenance item. You can see my additional thoughts on them later in the thread here.

Following the recommended install instructions, I did end up with a minor rub at the rear of the wheel well with my 255/75R17 when the wheels are turned and the suspension is compressed. Fortunately with their adjustability I can rotate the cammed joint forward to make the tires clear. I still need to do this before my next trail outing.
SCP UCA product page here and FAQ page here.

To remount the overloads with the AAL I did have to remove the rear overload U-brackets. Drill out the center pin, flip the overload over on the concrete so it is resting on the U-bracket and give it the overload BFH treatment till the bracket pops off.

Net ground clearance gain is a little over 3/4" or more (due to leveling).

Baja Pro + 1" larger tire over stock = 2.25" more ground clearance than stock.
Current setup = 3"+ more ground clearance than stock.

There is occasional minor rubbing on the front mud flap if the tire is turned at just the right angle when the suspension is compressed. I'm already running high clearance flaps. Will have to investigate options.

Take Aways:
The purpose of this thread is not to prescribe a TRD lift, it is to help people make informed choices. Any lift can avoid lifting complications by taking a balanced build approach, it doesn't have to be TRD or Bilstein, although TRD goes the extra mile in the details and is specifically tuned for the truck. In general, lifting should be done as low as necessary for best performance and least amount of issues. I'll admit as much as anyone I wan't my truck to be a little bit bigger looking than stock. But I also want to balance that with the trucks ability to perform and maintain stock reliability.

If you found this helpful, you might be interested in my thread on selecting light weight oversized tires:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/selecting-a-light-weight-wheel-tire-combo-trd-rock-warriors-ko2s.381030/
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More pictures to come.

jmanscotch · Nov 7, 2019

NM/NA but potentially a great cheap truck for someone.

2005 Tacoma AC 4x4 Manual 260K+ miles and needs love but $2,500

https://denver.craigslist.org/pts/d/erie-2005-toyota-tacoma-4x4-for-sale/7014723768.html

thefatkid · Nov 7, 2019

jmanscotch said: ↑

NM/NA but potentially a great cheap truck for someone.

2005 Tacoma AC 4x4 Manual 260K+ miles and needs love but $2,500

https://denver.craigslist.org/pts/d/erie-2005-toyota-tacoma-4x4-for-sale/7014723768.html
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Dang, no 4 doors

upTOPOverland_Drew · Nov 7, 2019

RCI Sliders are off the truck!

3rd gen, 5 degree, top plate, self etching primer and Rustoleum flat black - $600

BAMF Crosstube, custom built and mig welded for best clearance. Built for BAMF HD Hangers, HD Hangers NOT for sale. - $200

NateMob · Nov 7, 2019

Anyone looking for a spare 315/70R17? I've got a couple mounted but never ran sitting around. One KM2 and another MTR/K.

Down in Colorado Springs. Throw me a reasonable offer.

mountain mikey · Nov 7, 2019

Voodoo Rack on T4R since I don't have enough posts to create a for sale thread.

travel_taco · Mar 31, 2020

sold

jmanscotch · Nov 7, 2019

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Steel ifs skid plate from pelfrey before they went crazy. Been sitting in my garage the past 4 years taking up space. Never mounted and want to clean out the garage. $250. It is intended for 2nd gen but will fit 3rd gens, you just have to take it off when you do an oil change on 3rd gens.
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Where are you located?

andrewtheadventurer · Nov 7, 2019

FOR SALE

Hi Lift Lift Mate (Never Used) $20

travel_taco · Nov 7, 2019

jmanscotch said: ↑

Where are you located?
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Greeley

andrewtheadventurer · Nov 7, 2019

WTB: kings resi mounts

Happy to trade if needed. Mine are notched to fit an ARB front bumper support.

DaVikes · Nov 10, 2019

SOLD

Router and Router Table

Ryobi Router Table https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-Universal-Router-Table-A25RT03/300234859
Ryobi 2hp plunge router https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-10-Amp-2-HP-Plunge-Base-Router-RE180PL1G/205509658

Currently each $99 at Home Depot. Several bits are included, see the pic for details on them. I used it for a project and don't need it anymore. It's all 2-3 years old. Located in Stapleton

The black plastic piece in the last pic is a shield that bolts to the underside of the table. But, it makes it impossible to change a bit, so I took it off.

DaVikes · Nov 8, 2019

East Coast Gear Supply bearing puller. US General Seal Driver Set. $70 for both. Used once.

Driveshaft Deal! Buy one for $150, and get the other one for free!
The driveshafts will fit any second gen 2005-2015 double cab short bed or access cab Tacoma. They will not fit a regular cab or double cab long bed Tacoma. The flange face to flange face measurement on my truck was 67 1/8".

Single Piece Driveshaft $100 - This is a thin wall tube driveshaft. Do not get it if your truck is geared. My truck had 4:56 gears, and with 33's, the driveshaft would hit critical speed at about 80 and vibrate a lot. You could feel it begin at about 75. With stock gearing, it won't hit critical speed til 85-90mph. Also, this shaft works best with a 1-2 inch lift in the rear. I moved to All-Pro Expos, and angles were about 6 degrees at each end with this shaft after that. Those angles will wear out u-joints quickly. This shaft was freshly rebuilt, and then I found out it was thin wall shaft and would never work with my gearing on the highway. So it's in nice shape.

Double Cardan Driveshaft $100 - I had this built by Rocky Mountain Driveline. It doesn't have a lot of miles on it. It never felt perfect in the 40-60 range on my truck, but it was smooth above that, and had no shudder at takeoff. My driveline angles may have been too steep for it to work well, but my truck was at 3-4 inches of lift in the back (I went back to a two piece, which was smooth everywhere, but still had shudder at takeoff.)

Ram Laptop Mount $20. Dusty, but in good condition.

Rear Driver's side window $20. Has factory tint.

Left rear inner door panel. $20. Will accept offers, including beer, but only microbrews, and no belgians.

Left side front and rear chrome door handles. $10. In good but not perfect shape. Will accept a 6 pack.

All located in Stapleton.

(I click post thumbnails, and it posts full size. No ideal why.)

levie125 · Nov 7, 2019

bot102 said: ↑

FEELER: Looking at selling my front suspension in order to help fund new coilovers. $450/OBO

It is the TRD Baja front suspension. TRD branded/"tuned" Ext Travel Bilstein 6112's with Eibach Red 650lbs springs. NOT a true coilover.

Will fit 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen. Discontinued from Toyota when the Baja package died.

I am fully aware of the BST rule about parts must be off the truck in order to sell.
What I'd be looking to do is get an interested buyer of them, then order my coilovers. When coilovers get in, I'd take my old out, give to buyer and exchange funds when buyer has suspension in hand. No funds exchanged prior to the suspension being off my truck and in your hand. Would be about 3-4 days for shipping of my new coilovers to get in.

See this thread for an EXCELLENT review/measurements of the kit

More pictures to come.

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How many miles do these have on them?

bot102 · Nov 7, 2019

levie125 said: ↑

How many miles do these have on them?
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Oof. Knew I forgot something. Put on the truck in May of 2018. I'd say about 14-16k. Vast majority of it being road miles commuting to Greely 5 days a week from Denver, a road trip to CA and my drive to CO from FL.

Also, have 1 other interested buyer

jmanscotch · Nov 7, 2019

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Greeley
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Damn, no plans to make it up that way and no time to either.

If there’s any TWEpress or if you’d be down towards the Springs, I’d definitely be interested in making a deal.

crolison · Nov 8, 2019

Was going to re do my wiring on the taco before it sold:

I believe 10 pair of 16 gauge wires.
$20

May have a paranoid fabrication mount for sale if it doesn’t work/can’t make work on the new tundra - dibs right now $20 if i don’t use

-Tacoma top hats $9.999
-newer center console (I believe 08-09) with the switch panel between the two cig plugs. Does not include blanks $10?
-single din radio and surround for second gen $10?

Also in the free department:
-stock uca 85-90k miles
-stock front trd OR coils
-stock plastic bed caps

TheCubicleDaydreamer · Nov 8, 2019

I would be interested in the mount... dibs? Will it work on the third gen?

crolison · Nov 8, 2019

TheCubicleDaydreamer said: ↑

I would be interested in the mount... dibs? Will it work on the third gen?
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It might, take a photo in that corner by the brake booster

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