4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

I have heard of a slim few , not sure what All of those issues are you are hearing about

 

I’ll weigh in on the 2.4L T24A-FTS from the Lexus. In the RX it is the Direct 4 drive train and is the Hybrid Max in Toyota models (Crown and Highlander).

My wife has one, it drives great, it is quick and it gets 26 - 28 MPG everywhere. In town, stop and go, on the freeway. It has a 6-speed gearbox. It doesn’t need more gears.

But, it won’t go in a Tacoma. The drive system is an 80KW (107HP) electric motor on the rear axle with NO drive connection to the front engine. The vehicle is designed so the front comes from the turbo four and the back is e-axle. So the Direct 4 design and architecture would not work on a truck that is designed for rear drive/4-wheel drive.

Now, having said that the iForce Max architecture in the Tundra/Sequoia sandwiches the electric motor between the gas engine and the transmission. So, the hybrid variant (I’m confident there will be one) will be more along that type of an architecture.

The curb weight on an RX500h is ~4,700lb. The powertrain rocks in that vehicle so if the new Tacoma is anything close it will be a great performer.

+1 comment. The T24A-FTS turbo lag is minimal and it very quickly pegs @ 15PSI if you keep your foot in it. By comparison my 1988 Mk III Supra Turbo maxed out ~7PSI and had moderate lag.

 

My replies are being edited. WTF?

 

There is no theory, it is just physics; a small modern turbocharger will spin up enough boost at less than 2,000 RPMs to create a significant amount of torque; it is simply a matter of more air and fuel than what a normally aspirated engine will be able to bring in at the same RPMS. Consider it this way, if at 2,000 RPMs a 2.4 liter I4 is being boosted by roughly 7 psi, then it will produce the same amount of power as a normally aspirated 3.6 liter V6, anything over that amount of boost will result in more power coming out of the smaller engine than the larger one.

 

4G will probably be like driving a Ranger that gets slightly worse fuel economy a lower payload and tow rating at a slightly higher price. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/aut...d-know-about-the-2023-ford-ranger/ar-AA19lB4b

 

What’s the story with the bot? It it a site hack?

 

Nah just a stupid April fools thing

 

Ah. It was pretty funny. And smart.

 

XenForo on Chatgpt aka Skynet. It's everywhere, buildiing a file on you for when the AI run bipedals with sub machine guns attached to their backs and air dropped drone swarms need to hunt us humans down.

 

The craziest thing is back on Wednesday midnight (Australian time) when I saw this photo on IG, it felt unusually familiar to me. Previous weekend on another forum, I had been looking for the press images from the original 2014 teaser for Detroit NAIAS January 2015 debut of the 2016 truck.



I knew it was a 2016 Limited DCSB prototype they had used, but I didn't realize until I went through the Pressroom site and downloaded the images, only to find that they were dated July 28, 2015. Clearly they were not the original NAIAS teaser images, shown right here and photographed on December 5-7, 2014.

December 5-7, 2014 NAIAS Teaser Press Photos - 2016 DCSB Limited V6 4x4 (Prototype)


What I didn't expect, was that Toyota was going to use photos from this very set to teaser the 2024 truck. Felt oddly like deja vu, until I snapped out of it and released this wasn't even a reshoot, but a reuse of these very old photos.

7/28/2015 93 Pike Street Downtown Seattle



Eventually as other people realized it, I later had some free time and went down a rabbit hole find out where, out of the curiosity these images were taken in July 2015 per the time stamps.

Studying the distinct landmarks and labels in the background of this photo and comparing the time stamps, I discovered that both images were taken on July 28, 2015 at 6:22AM and 6:36AM for the main photo they reused. I also figured out that the rear window definitely wasn't photoshopped, but only elements of the hidden new model across the street, plus some easter eggs on the building and license plate.

Pine Street Downtown Seattle (August 2015)



93 Pike Street Downtown Seattle (August 2015)



I saw some of the names in this photo and a Google search led me to, Seattle-Tacoma, Washington. Toyota basically ordered a photoshoot in Downtown Seattle, Washington and the exact addresses I realized were 93 Pike St, Seattle, Washington at 6:22 AM. And the image in question, was taken on Pine Street & 1st Avenue, Downtown Seattle at 6:36AM.

The pretend Brazilian Patent Office building is Simply Seattle at 1600 1st Avenue, Seattle, Washington. The random symbolism that sent Toyota to photograph the truck in its namesake metro area, is just wild. Never thought they'd even consider it.

And then they randomly decided to reuse the image for easter eggs. I don't think anyone ever knew this, unless you live there in Seattle and recognize these places. While it wasn't the real Brazil (Patent Office), which is definitely much fancier looking, I didn't think my little challenge to find the real building would turn up anything (I love puzzles).


Like the Corolla GR, Toyota loves doing Easter Egg teaser campaigns for its late March/early April reveals, a new tradition started post-COVID in 2022. Next year, I bet there's going to be another easter teaser campaign next March. Guessing that's the 2025 RAV4 next time around, preceded by the 4Runner in the winter (no easter eggs).

 

First time I drove a CVT, I thought something was broken. What a soulless experience.

 

Last time my Taco was in the shop I got a Nissan Altima rental with a CVT and 4 cylinder. Merging on the highway once was enough to convince me that CVT's were not for me in a car. I do like the CVT on my Grizzly though.

 

My ex loved her Outback with a CVT. Should have realized sooner based off of that.

 

Two more sleeps!

 

Ooh wow, like they say a hit dog will holler alright and I see there have been quite a number of 'em in this thread and on this forum barking at me. I have been out of commission, out of the country! Having just got back yesterday morning, what I saw is sad to see. I thoroughly STAND by my last comment back on page 177, because some of you have a really deluded and one-sided impression of what my goal is here and always looking for red meat to devour, the second my username comes up.

Yes, I know this a large forum, not the CM1 Show. I mean, really? I ironically have very few posts, less than 200 over a 4+ year period. Thus, I have a very low count of posts here. In fact, some of you who signed up over the last year, want to be so self-righteous and act like I live on here commenting 24/7 (while you co-sign bad-faith comments) @J Williams , but honestly if my post count is much less than yours, maybe you need to take your own advice then LOL? I'm sparingly heard from and I like that way. Can't be here 24/7.

I definitely don't think I'm perfect and that my shit doesn't stink, but some of you I guess are so miserable in your lives, you love to crap on other folks you don't know from Adam, for reasons I'll never understand. You'll find out in this post, that I make mistakes too. One thing is for certain, I tell the truth that I believe it to be to my knowledge.

Stop projecting with the ridiculous mischaracterizations and enough of the annoying shit posts and trolling. It's often really distracting and horribly off topic, to anyone else who actually cares to know what's happening. Love funny banter as a good stress release after a hard days work, but some stuff in here is just too much and I'm not the only one who thinks that. I feel bad enough about this post being so touchy, but don't poke the bear and expect them to stay to silent.

And to a few of you who I once trusted and I'll guess are playing the self-righteous card because I chose to call out some BS, I can definitely see right through you LOL and you'll figure out eventually how I see ya too.

Spoiler: Disclosure

I came to TW discuss something out of curiosity quite awhile ago, in my occasional free time and to share anything new I learned. Apparently that's a criminal act of sorts, especially when dealing with some of you who are more focused on shutting someone up on what you consider to be "premature" discussion, instead of minding your business and going to any of the other many million threads on this forum. It is brain draining some of the BS that passes in this thread for posts lately, but the minute I indirectly refer to it as annoying, I'm the biggest asshole around? Okay then, just saying what many others are quietly thinkin'...

I looked back some years into the previous decade and there was 0 real discussion until the 2020 model just about debuted in Chicago (2019), as I have said before. I posted a few times, I disappeared for months. I don't live on here, I keep it moving. This isn't my first time taking such an interest in an upcoming model, because as an enthusiast, for years I have enjoyed discussing future product lines regardless of the company, provided the product itself is interesting enough for me to discuss at all. If it ain't interesting to me, I'm not there!

I have never focused on being first, except when it comes to defending myself against unwarranted attacks on my "record" and challenges to the idea I just borrow info and need to be providing proof, to back up some record of credibility. Very annoying, but a number of you just demand it, while the vloggers are never to be questioned of course. I'm not the only person on here often second-guessed, so call it an individual trying to carefully establish a pattern of credibility, so that the endless need to build trust is less frequent.

If someone doesn't know you from Adam, references have to be made to back up your statements as trustworthy. The media sure as hell didn't give a fuck about this truck one bit 2-4 years ago and left us in the dark entirely. Many folks didn't care much either until 18 months ago, cuz spy camo pictures makes clickbait artists go crazy. Well before that, I was shocked back in 2016, that Toyota was very committed to redesigning this truck ASAP (in late 2022) and wanted to share that info here once the midlife update appeared in 2019. Before that, no-go area for me. I can see why once again...

It's been a very mixed experience, due to some great many users I respect and gladly share info with each other on what's coming down the line. It is mixed, thanks to miserable individuals on here who want to be cynical and bitter over everything that comes their way and nearly ruin it for everyone else, particularly me since I am very vocal. Piss off please, pretty much done here, you'll be fine since I'll be out of your hair soon and you can troll 4th gen buyer over 3G and etc.

The truck is finally here and I am just about done discussing it.

That's now Toyota's ballgame and that of the moderators, not mine in the least. They have all the answers and more for the next several years, not to mention the aftermarket who will make things happen after these leave dealers this winter. I'm glad that it happened finally and that I wanted to make sure everyone was as up-to-date as possible leading up to that point, because guess what? I own a Tacoma too and want to know what's happening down the road too, even if I entered this without owning one yet.

As so did many of us on here clearly, but no one was believing that 4th gen talk was of any relevance 5 years ago, because of past long lifecycles in the first gen and second gen. You join a discussion forum (like I did) and try to check if anyone has heard about what's coming. Then it becomes a group discussion on what to expect until reveal. In most places, no big deal. It's not a soap opera in the least. Here, mostly not an issue either, well this until the miserable cynics jump in and crap on everything, that's simple as it gets.

Apparently me doing so and also doing my damndest to weed out derailment or any negative discussion, allows me to be made into the devil incarnate full of shit or likening myself to curing cancer? Are you serious? No one wants to read my walls of text, no one wants to read some of your lame jokes and ridiculous substance-bereft trolling either.

Some folks just really love to project and it's too bad LOL. I unfortunately have to look forward to Toyota proving me wrong on the 3 of 4 powertrains, that will NOT be in the 2024 Tacoma and I thank the four Toyota people who tricked me into falling for that 4 months ago. (Have been 100% correct up until now)

I really should have known better and @woodsy despite being such an unpleasant individual and never even the target of my negative comments previously, tried to wisely help me out from falling into a trap.

I didn't even listen and overreacted, because I felt trusted Toyota contacts wouldn't lie to a competitor casually asking for advance information that's proprietary? Haha well, I fell for it. They got me I guess. 4-5 different Toyota/related sources, misled me apparently. I cannot even believe it. Be happy with those turbocharged powertrains and forget about that damn V6, plus the manual I guess. Really, really sucks.

DJinTN (1 , 2, 3, 4; who deleted their account) was one of few insider voices who "confirmed" for me the 2TR-FE 2.7L I4 as carryover for 2 years and a lot of other credible information. I was skeptical, I didn't see the possibility the information might be bad. (2, 3, 4)

December 2022

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/4th-gen-tacoma-2024.734643/page-52#post-28212824

Yet, apparently according to a different, very well informed source I have trusted for 2 years, working on the next 4Runner and some other models, he warned me while on my way to Australia 2 weeks ago, that I possibly had bad information on midsize TNGA-F to my shock and disappointment.

At the 11th hour, considering I asked him to vet it back in December for me as my source #4. He sidestepped answering my private questions on 2GR-FKS, as did DJinTN, so I looked for others offline and online to meet my threshold. (DJinTN of course deleted his account and vanished unfortunately.) My proof has been deleted too, because the mods scrubbed all of our posts.

The few sources who possessed those concrete answers, had their own understandable reasons to mislead me and in some cases give seemingly false praise. I honestly don't know from Adam at this point, what the hell is under the hood, at least for a fact. I know just about everything else crucial, but under the hood? After this recent discovery? Nope. Not gonna do it, there is Tuesday for that. Two engines indeed, but why bother guessing?

Too many conflicting accounts from professionals in the dealer body, TMNA personnel across two countries, and Tier 1 peeps in the trifecta of North America. I don't necessarily even care for what @woodsy said childishly as a reply a few days ago, but after how I reacted to the quoted polite warning post to me back in December, I guess that explains the recent comment.

I definitely understand if no one can trust me now, but I stand by everything else I have said in good faith and got accurate. And yes, I try my best to keep an accurate narrative. I let myself deviate from my conservative stance, of avoiding any discussion on insight not fully confirmable for me. I don't answer every question I am asked and that's the way to go.

Believe I acted too abruptly back in December, in trying to correct course against the private disappointment with myself, believing I once spread misinformation about the lineup being the automatic-only range of 2.4T, 2.4T Hybrid, and possibly TTV6 during all of 2022 (1).

12/13/2022 Comment:

I didn't say too much about that expected lineup publicly before that, but I was always too quick to denounce any expectations of a manual option or NA engine. Then of course avoid answering such questions directed at me over powertrains, so that it wouldn't be used against me.

I based that all on the Toyota turbo 4 in development in 2020, which almost everyone was sharing with each other since 2021 (once 2022 Lexus NX 350 revealed). Plus a verbose trusted source, who mentioned prototype Tacomas and 4Runners with that "Tundra" engine. Well, that wasn't fully accurate of course.

I jumped the gun and ended up stabbing myself in the back by accident in the process (euphemism), since not everyone who works for a company can be trusted, if they don't even trust you with their own proprietary information for good reason. The Obvious 101.

I really should have known better, but it sucks much more I passed on that information on here for the past 4 months as if it was the gospel. Yet I often criticize journalists and vloggers for doing the same exact thing. I could easily blame the people who tempered my skepticism with these "confirmations", but honestly that's on me regardless and hurts quite a bit, if true indeed come Tuesday.

I apologize to anyone that I badgered in any way, over that specific context (powertrains). This "hobby" of following future models, has become more a headache. It's not really fun anymore, when it becomes so serious.

We'll see on Tuesday, but I'm not looking forward to it one bit (me alone that is). But I also am, to just finally close this chapter and focus on the new Land Cruiser and 4Runner, plus GX and Hilux and what they bring to the industry.

Summary:

As I did prior to December 2022, I no longer believe Toyota will be offering the 2GR-FKS 3.5L V6 nor the 2TR-FE, which a few insiders questionably claimed to be "accurate" before me and/or "confirmed" (ie 5 sources including deleted user DJinTN).

I had to login ASAP today and get ahead of the new possibility on Tuesday that the powertrain information I have provided since December isn't accurate and correct course, to make sure some expectations are adjusted and keep it known I'm not going to pretend to have a flawless record.

Not if I clearly might have made a mistake come Tuesday.

It sucks to have learned about the reveal date back in February and so many other things before automotive media (who I am not a fan of) over the years, but in the end screw up crucial information we all pretty much knew already.

Good luck everyone, you finally get an all new truck after just short 8 years (currently just 7.5 years) and not a whole damn decade or 15 years like the 4Runner. I hope it works out for you, that TNGA-F has allowed for improved interior dimensions, better seating position, and etc. The TRD Pro sounds like it will be impressive.

If it's what I have been warned about, it's not really for me personally and I'm happy with my Texas-built 2020 in terms of things Tacoma at least, forever. Hope @CygnusX191 isn't pissed at me for tagging him, a very well informed user that can be trusted much more at this point in terms of irrefutably reliable information on this topic. Sorry!

What the hell??? That's so random.

Considering I never even directed my previous comment at you (which you self-righteously responded to), clearly you have issues of your own that you also need to figure out and maybe keep it moving? We don't even interact and yes, while I admit I didn't take sensible advice you once gave me, I did not regard it well, in seeing right through you as not intending it in good faith.

I have not had anything to say to you whatsoever since. You childishly went around making derisive little comments directed at me, which I ignored and kept it moving. (Case in point)

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/4th-gen-tacoma-2024.734643/page-46#post-28154802

It's no coincidence this childish little comment was made, after I made a post a few before yours that same day.

Until I admitted to possibly being wrong today on what we actually disagreed about months ago, you've had no leg to stand on in regards to me being obsessed with proving anything and being full of shit.

What a hateful person, projecting misplaced animosity.

I certainly wouldn't have to highlight past instances of my accuracy, if some people weren't always so quick to question everything I do and make me provide them "receipts", some of which is just unrealistic during vehicle development. (1)

Even with hearing from different Toyota people, whom I would expect to know about the truck in an informed capacity, I probably got railroaded, at least based on other trusted insight.

Maybe you were right to warn me and perhaps we will likely see that on Tuesday. On everything else I've said? Please let me know what else I've gotten wrong then the past 4 years? You've got nothing. You are not my concern, with proving I was first. There are people who called me a liar early on and I couldn't fully disprove it then, but I can now.

To be honest, there are other people in that decision making of mine over 180 posts in 4 years, who matter far more long term than little digs from any of you. I first and foremost don't care for the automotive media often doing a sloppy job. Until they stop doing that, I prefer the forums/underground discussion beating them to the punch.

In order to establish the point, that they need to do much better in their coverage of Japanese and American product, plus stop relying on some of us to deliver them new information, without being given credit. They're making easy money off of it, while doing very little.

I don't like seeing info on commenting sections and automotive forums, being relied on as free content for vloggers' easy click ad revenue nor that of glorified bloggers called journalists. The idea I'm obsessed with proving something to you and some numbskulls here, please get past that theory. It's all imagined. Thanks for the sage advice, which I should've taken from you months ago, but I can do without the personal attacks. You weren't even called out by me, but your hypocritical white-knighting for pigheaded trolls doesn't make any sense to me.

And for the record, learn what being full of shit means and don't toss accusations at people you cannot back up. Try and even dare prove it. Anyone who wants to believe you, that's their issue and not mine. And to those cosigning your comment (not you), the butthurt clearly still follows from when I last set you straight on your drivel (stay bitter) @22Coma6MT . I spend less than 1/15th of my time on here, yet it's often framed as if I live on TW and think I'm curing cancer. LOL Perhaps I am, when I'm weeding out cancerous trolls indeed. Good luck with that simple-minded, regressive (non)logic and come up with better insults.

Thank you, but I had to admit today, which I learned of a few hours (after I submitted my last post earlier this week), from speaking to a servicing dealer for my Tacoma (while in AU). Talking to a GM about the LC and Tacoma, he confirmed what my 4Runner source finally mentioned on March 16, 2023.

I hadn't even read it for 2 weeks and then the GM, mentioned never hearing about that list I showed him. He said it was wrong. Quite disappointing to hear, as I've possibly misled a lot of people strictly on powertrain. without even knowing it. Aside from that, I don't believe anything I've said is incorrect. Not gonna hide from my mistakes though, even if it came from informed insight. I guess we'll see.

Buzz away little pest. It's funny how you have more posts than me in your 5 minutes here, but little substance behind it all. I've been told 100x over to use that ignore feature on here, but I am far too diplomatic to resort to blocking any of the many rude dumbasses I encounter and have to make it personal with me, because they're too obtuse for words and think everyone should share in that. Always trying to prove a point. Keep it movin' like the rest and go back to whatever BS topic you were on before.

Now, this is just rich coming from you. Really? The cancer of this thread lately, who just doesn't stop? SMDH, this thread often goes to HELL from many of your ever so derailing cancerous posts, in you not understanding the concept of moderation. You clearly caught onto my disdain, but I now know the feeling is mutual. Didn't really wanna go there, but yeah it's the truth. Last time I checked I didn't call myself an oncologist and ask everyone to genuflect, because I discovered the greatest cure of the millennium for cancer, is chatting about some truck. Maybe I'm onto something though...

Give that hateful nonsense a rest dude, not a great comedian at all. Enough of the shit posts, as my walls of text in a single post probably don't equal up to all of your shit posts combined and that's a shocker in itself. But I'm apparently the asshole, because I'm tired of your ironically cancerous posts which litter page after page in this thread. I know clearly what's at play here...

I'm exhausted with this all. Get back from a long ass trip and jump right into this. I said what many have been thinking, because discussion was a mess. In fact, said it short and simple. I'm sick of the BS. A lot of good folks, a lot of unfortunate people and those in between.(I can see the fake ones too). I appreciate that greatly, but I definitely have not been always right and I'm sorry to say, that this concerns the powertrains.

The same person who you replied to, tried to warn me at the onset of the "new info", even if it wasn't perceived as in good faith. I didn't listen and retract the information I abruptly provided, until I had double the 5-internal source threshold I try to abide by.

Spoiler: Rest of Post

I spent December to present, trying to find loads of additional sources to verify I was providing correct info and I failed in that one spot. It's definitely red meat for critics (a lot of lurkers unfortunately read and repost my comments), but I'm not gonna pretend otherwise and save face.

What I won't do, is stand for the digs being directed at me. Some folks are just sour personalities, who kill everything around them unfortunately. I am thankfully not one of those people in daily life and do my best not to be on here. I've only directed my vitriol at bad discussion.

This truck is here now and Toyota will now make everything official soon, so none of us have to rely on each other for new info. I probably get to look like a fool on Tuesday LOL, when Toyota announces the new powertrains. But hey, I got the rest of it right. There were Toyota insiders back in 2018-19 saying that diesel was being incorporated and I mentioned it on here with a grain of salt. Was hard to swallow, as you can see that didn't even happen, which is very telling once again. Even the well-respected fellow engineer who goes by A70TTR on Supra MKV, made his own missteps like I have and said similar (now deleted).

Toyota shifted gears on engine choices then, like I am now shifting my focus to other TNGA-F models in the GX, Land Cruiser, and 4Runner. Great people here, but a lot of asshats keep popping up out of the woodwork and I don't wanna play whack a mole anymore. Look forward to Tuesday.

LOL. you're one miserable trolling git. Is it that serious with me? I've done this for years and avoid issues. I'd be very careful if I were you, as threatening to dox people (out of spiteful boredom) has consequences of its own and I'm prepared to handle any matters which violate my privacy as a private individual. I don't play with that at all at my level.

I have no NDAs with Toyota anymore and anyone I know who does, that's not your business. You have an axe to grind, because maybe I found it ridiculous and rightfully criticized how you kept repeating info you knew to be inaccurate on purpose. (Not to mention other things)

I imagine simply because, like a bratty child, it contradicted whatever I stated to be accurate and pretty much everyone knew to be true anyway, independent of any expectation I had. I don't even see how someone believes some random salesdude at a random Canadian dealership, this late in the game, who contradicts almost everything under the sun known about this truck.

I've said 2024MY a million times and so has everyone else, since the first time it got delayed (nearly 4 years ago), but you find it sensible to knowingly mislead people anyway? Making many of us repeat ourselves? And you expect someone not to roll their eyes at that? That just seems like trolling, seeing as I also observed the other derisive commentary from you directed towards me, unprovoked. You know better, but prefer to be petulant and fish for problems.

I at least got most of my trusted information from TMNA personnel and Tier 1 supplier personnel, that I don't even know if it is 100% wrong, on only one aspect of it. Did you even bother to help of any of us out yourself?

No you didn't of course, easier to bark at other people from the sidelines who do and mock them like a cynical numbskull. There are ways to find this out yourself, without me ever being involved, but some of you sourpusses prefer it to be spoon fed to you and attack anyone who tries to fill in the blanks, as instead being some asshole know-it-all.

The few detractors I have in this thread are unfortunate characters indeed, but that doesn't even matter since this is done with finally and I'm just about done too, as soon as the embargo ends on Tuesday. I honestly don't care how much self-righteous pearl clutching and head shaking is done in response to my long post, like I know some of you will do as usual. Always find something to complain about what I say. Whatever.

Almost, almost Lieutenant. We'll see though on Tuesday (sighs). I feel like my defensive post is about to ruin this thread.

Almost, I think. I never said it here, but weirdly enough some non-friends at Toyota HQ have been reaching out to me and thanking me for "keeping speculation in line" and saying "what we can't say out loud". Awkward, very awkward. I didn't like that at all, but of course they read these posts.

I did a name match and the person is real sure enough, so is the other. Obviously not gonna dox them. Found them on TMNA HQ staff roster too, to verify them. I learned more about the 4Runner, Land Cruiser, and GX from the first person in Plano. Unlike my other Plano and MI sources, this was someone I do not know personally, but know enough to trust them.

Spoiler: Rest of Post

Another also gave those kudos. They are Toyota people, who both refused to address powertrain questions unlike the other Toyota sources. I don't know if I am prematurely throwing in the towel to be distrusting the rest of the 4 over just 1 Tier guy and 1 dealer GM, telling me I'm wrong.

If the information I am being told is wrong comes out as such on Tuesday, then these 5-6 Toyota people set me up to fail while 2 of them were simultaneously thanking me. (And yes, I have the emails and PM screenshots to prove it). I do not make up information, like David Chao does on YouTube. Unfortunately like him, they've peeped my game and some are dangling bad info on purpose.

The HQ guy had stated as I said many times before, yeah the 4Runner is evolutionary and stays true to its current mission with needed powertrain improvements, now on TNGA-F. The Land Cruiser will be very low volume, at about a quarter of 4Runner volume and Land Cruiser has been delayed to March/April 2024 from Dec 2023. I learned this last month.

4Runner remains September 2024, following January 2024 reveal. Land Cruiser will be revealed in the coming months, as will Lexus GX 550 this summer for December intro. Second "new" Plano contact just focused on their thanks and avoid answering any new questions, unlike the first one. Nothing explaining I was providing any bad insight

I'm quite torn over the accuracy of any of the earlier 4 Toyota contacts, including the former head of 920B prototype development, who I've mentioned by name in private to a few before.

In total, I've had 10 sources independent of a dealer GM and 4Runner Tier 1 supplier source, who is an extremely invisible TW user ever so ecstatic to share new developments privately with me (elsewhere, not on TW).

4 of TMNA, 1 user here, 1 GM, DJinTN, Tier 1 source (TW user too), new Plano TMNA HQ online contact, Ford contact of formerly Toyota, Ford contact of formerly Toyota, and second TMNA Plano HQ online contact. Probably more though. I have tried, but yeah very pointless if the answers are not always answered.

Pretty much can expect, I make comment simple comment last week and then get a bunch of hit dogs barking at it in response. I defend my stance and explain my wrongdoings and of course get villainized by self-righteous types. Can't really win here.

 

Amen. But don’t feed all of them

 

I really didn't want to post that, but the Texan boy in me refused to take it sitting down. Been a really difficult 2 weeks away from home and that wasn't very great to see upon return back, leading up to this reveal on Tuesday.

 

so your prediction is full discontinuation of manual transmission?

do you predict the new LC/GX will continue to come standard with full-time 4WD? (Torsen based?)

by the way, appreciate your contributions given your ostensible credibility. seems like you could use a little back pat, appear preoccupied with your online repute but guess it makes sense since you use the same handle across forums. plans to monetize?

 

I appreciate your contributions to the forum. Stuff like this happens….kind of comes with the territory (the v6)….explaining from your POV timeline wise etc like you have helps ppl like me who DK anything beyond what we read here and elsewhere digest the information and u/s how it played out.

This forum and specifically this thread is full of opinionated blowhards that can make a person wish they never bothered but there are ppl like me letting it play out who appreciate the insights.