3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

thats what i was thinking. charge at 15v for agm with vftuner setting. assume youd burn out bulbs fairly fast tho

 

I have information but I can't give public disclosure for release timing, Marketing/sales/purchaser opportunity must be equal to all, so please wait for official announcement. My job is to design and make lamp, help explain what I have made. Hope you can understand that, I am itching to show off my creation as much as you wish to have new lamp!!
But I have QC checklist fully cleared, approved for production to be released from factory, it's really matter of when shipment arrivals and distribution to become ready. XB Evo's Performance improvement over previous gen is beyond words can describe.

Keep bugging sales, as soon as official words out, I will follow up full depth of all optical Q&A well, 4Runner is already out,, so you can ask me any optical related questions that's no problem for me to explain for anyone who want to learn about.

 

understood. i planned on waiting regardless. have evo+ foglights already ordered.

 

15v would be hard on bulbs, but not terrible. Lifespan is rated at like 14.7v, so you should expect something like a 20% reduction in rsted hours. Biggest risk is of a sudden envelope failure blowing glass inside the headlamp, buts thats a small risk with any bulb anyway.

Some sort of soft-start device with a voltage booster would be really neat for halogens. Can't hit high voltages right off the bat, but a 1-2 second ramp from 6v to 16-17 would be doable.

 

Hey @crashnburn80 quick question. I just realized the bulbs in my 2g Morimoto retrofit are now 12 years old lol. They’re the standard D2S Philips 85122 bulb.
Do you think I gain any usable light output by spending almost 2x as much on the Philips D2S Xtreme Vision variation?
From TheRetroFitSource, 85122 standard are on sale for $75 while the 85122XV are about $135.

 

Asleep at the Wheel in the Headlight Brightness Wars
The crusade against bright headlights has picked up speed in recent years, in large part due to a couple of Reddit nerds. Could they know what’s best for the auto industry better than the auto industry itself?

https://theringer.com/2024/12/03/tech/headlight-brightness-cars-accidents

Glad it's not just me.

 

i dont care how bright your headlights are as long as there isnt glare right in my face. tractor trailers should not be excluded from this rant

 

Reddit nerds

Ngl, that tagline is enough for me to say i don't just want them to be wrong, I want cars to have even brighter, bluer headlights.

Edit: my respect for Stern (who I believe I've had disagreements with, and sadly chased off of cpf), and the quoted response, vindicates my stance.

 

Once in a while, I'm blinded by LED headlamps on something like a stock Corolla because it happened to be on the slightest incline relative to me, but it's not nearly as often as I'm blinded by someone running their highbeams.

I guess on the cars with automatic highbeams, it takes a bit for the car to detect oncoming traffic? Most of what I'm coming across is people with older vehicles.

I'm actually considering this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rx9De7yGIzI

 

gatto lives near me. a reditor smoking drinking beer and drawing penisis during an interview is all you really need to know about him. dude probably never leaves the house much anyways.

he should be all for brighter lights living where he does. from what i understand we have one of if not the highest number of moose accidents per population in the world. more than alaska despite being a 3rd the population on the island. on my last overnight 3 hour highway drive i came across 6 moose and a herd of caribou. I want as bright of headlights as possible.

 

I'd say Im fine with no headlights at all, but my local cops have issues with me driving sround under nods.

They don't like my response of "it sucks to suck, poors."

 

@Yoshi I looks like you guys are finally sending out teasers

 

Yes, please wait for official release. technical details, I can answer anytime. I am sure team will also release ample amount of information, but I can be reached anytime

 

I look forward to @crashnburn80 examining these.

 

Yes. See post #5502, and the quoted content in that post for earlier D2S testing. The Philips Xtreme Vision D2S offers significant gains. However, those gains are partially reliant on the quality of the optical assembly, and Morimoto aftermarket retrofit optics will not match the quality and performance of OEM Toyota/Lexus RX350 projectors used in those tests, meaning I'd expect the gains to be less. Regardless, I'd personally still opt for the better bulbs for best performance.

I should receive early assemblies for comparison testing.

 

I swapped in a XV into the driver side headlight assembly but there was literally zero change in light (color or intensity). Maybe I'm chasing something that can't be improved. I dont know. But I feel like something must be off w/ this current setup b/c I'm just not getting the light I want and the cutoff isn't great either. Big difference between passenger and driver side.

 

Are your old HID burners 12 years old? Ballast and igniter? If so, and a new set of burners didn't immediately appear visibly brighter/more intense, I'd suspect either its a power issue from the ballast, or the reflector bowls in the projectors are toasted/failing. Can you pull a bulb and stick an inspection camera into the reflector bowl and check for visible haze or loss of reflective coating?

 

Just got my H9's from Amazon and was pleasantly surprised on getting a German pair. Going to install later this week!

 

Remember to wear latex/rubber gloves, and hold bases, not the glass.

 

$42 OSRAM NIGHT BREAKER 220, H11, 220% Brighter Halogen Headlight Lamp, 64211NB220-2HB, Folding Box (2 Lamps)

Osram Night Breaker 220



The first +220 rated bulb in an H11 base. Osram's Night Breaker Laser +200s did very well in performance testing, so I was curious to see how the new +220s compare. This is also the first bulb I've seen in Osram's new plastic free packaging.

Osram Night breaker +200 (left) vs +220 (right with gold cap)


Aside from the glare cap being chrome vs gold, the bulbs look extremely similar. The forward blue coating on the +220s does look a bit darker than the +200s.

Osram +220 (left) vs stock Osram standard (right)




Very impressive, the Osram Night Breaker +220s come in over 2x in peak output intensity vs stock. Output color temp is also nearly 500k higher.



Power draw at about 60.2w.

Of course the question is how do these new Osram +220s compare to the previous Osram +200s.

Osram +220 (left) vs Osram +200




Solid gains over the previous generation +200 bulb, with the +220s coming in at 8% higher in peak output intensity.

Comparing the filaments on the +200 (left) vs +220 (right)


Hard to see in the photo, but the +220 filament is just a little shorter in length, which should translate to higher peak output intensity. The +220 filament it is also appears shifted a little closer to the bulb base. Smaller filaments can burn brighter producing higher output intensity while not significantly increasing the total lumen output, thus keeping within required compliance limits.

Here is an article from Philips explaining how high efficiency bulbs work to increase output intensity and project light further without increasing total lumen output.

Comparing the Osram +220 to the highest performing H11 tested thus far, the Tungsram Platinums.

Tungsram Platinum vs Osram +220


The Osrams just squeak out higher peak numbers over the Tungsrams, making it the highest performing H11 tested to date. Realistically though given the scale they are about the same and you will be unable to tell the difference in output intensity with the naked eye. The Osrams do have a slighter higher color temp, the Platinums were a largely uncoated bulb with only a small band coating at the bulb glare cap. The Tungsram Platinums have been unavailable for some time, so it is exciting to have a new highest performing H11 that is readily available.

Comparing to the highest performing bulb tested to date, the German Philips H9.

Osram +220 vs Philips German H9


Philips German H9 vs Osram +220 H11


The Philips German H9s still come in 2% higher in peak output intensity vs the Osram +220 H11s, which is incredibly impressive on the part of the +220 H11s competing against the top H9. The Osram +220s are almost 200k higher in color temp.

While the performance numbers between the Philips H9 and Osram +220s are close, the costs and bulb life are not so close.
Philips H9s ~$20/pair, bulb life 400 hours
Osram +220 ~$47/pair, bulb life 250 hours

Using all the engineering tricks to get an 1350 lumen H11 bulb to perform on par with a 2100 lumen H9 bulb takes a toll on the bulb life and increases the cost. For those looking to run H11s instead of an H9 swap, I would not be dissuaded on price. The small cost over the bulb service life is minimal compared to the performance returns.

Osram Night Breaker +220 spec sheet is here.

The Osram Night Breaker +220s are the best tested H11 yet and will be the recommended H11 bulb going forward.