new tacoma not impressed, turbo, and battery

yeah. It’s the only thing that is worse than the old one. Everything else is better.

 

I can imagine that on very tight trails off-roading it would be more of an issue. I don’t plan on taking my new truck on rough trails for a while.

 

yeah - I took the trail hunter fat boi on some tight trails - less of an issue than I thought - the added comfort of the disconnecting sway bar though did make a massive difference in my head not jerking back and forth laterally nearly as much

 

A complete troll post for a thread start and 11 pages later. Oh my folks must be bored out of their mind. Pot calling kettle out.

 

While the Ford Maverick Hybrid is not 4x4, not as heavy, and not as tall... (and I would not purchase one), they are attractive from the measured fuel efficiency.
I agree it should be possible to get more than 24 MPG, and up to 30 MPG on a Tacoma with properly equipped hybrid power plant.
For my own iForce Max, 2000 miles of mixed driving in "normal" mode (and removed front air dam), I am getting a cumulative 21.6 MPG (on the dash, reset at 1000 miles, and on tank to tank manual calculations). An improvement over my 2021 OR which was getting just around 20 MPG average, so about 8-10%.

 

I think it's very difficult to get "good" MPGs from a truck. Tires, aerodynamics, weight, drivetrain, etc.

I think Toyota realized this and decided to go for the extra power route.

A Maverick or Ridgeline are basically a car with smooth aerodynamics, tight panel gaps, underbody aerodynamic covers, thin, light tires. Just like a car. No heavy drivetrain components.

I was hoping that Toyota would've used the "Prime" approach where the new trucks could drive 20-30 miles on electricity alone, then switch to hybrid.
I feel like "Prime" approach would've been more useful in a truck than the current approach which is to make more power. I would bet that almost half of truck owners could commute on EV alone.

 

I saw that and wondered what the heck was going on. They start out with a "Scotty Kilmer sez" thing apparently without realizing that Scotty says everything — except his beloved '94 Celica, of course — is a money pit. He doesn't live in the same plane of existence as the rest of us. Dude's basically just the Dr. Phil of car personalities.

 

There is another Ford hybrid example. The 2025 EU only Ford Ranger PHEV. (EU emissions standards?). In the 4x4 version, it barely gets better MPG than the regular model. I am certain this is due to the addition of more weight from the batteries to accommodate est 28 miles of plug in charged EV only driving. As you note, efficiency is gained from those lighter commuter drives.

 

You must drive on the highway quite a bit.

 

I immediately disregard the relevance of any statement that references SK.
That guy is a buffoon. Self-proclaimed expert that seems about as vehicle literate as a first day car salesman.

A few years back I was watching one of his videos about a car I used to own, Toyota Solara.
And more than a dozen times he kept calling the accessory drive belt "fan belt". I can understand one slip-up, but he kept repeating "fan belt".
With vehicles I can be very pedantic. I see a fwd vehicle with a transverse engine and electric cooling fans and a self-proclaimed "expert" keeps calling the accessory drive belt the wrong term..... I immediately set my YT account to no longer show his videos in my recommendations

 

Yes. A bit more on the highway, both congested and not. Probably 60% miles driven vs 40% in "the city".
Local highway speeds --actual 65 to 75 MPH. I-5, Portland OR to Burlington WA.

 

I'm probably going to ruffle some feathers with some people here, but I have a 2021 Titan Pro-4x that can easily get low 20's on the highway. Going between WA state and places south like NV or AZ, I've had several tanks get 23-24 mpg hand calculated. The MPG readout in my truck was showing mid-25 most of the time. It's about 1.5 MPG optimistic.
My previous Titan had a best of 17.9mpg with the 5AT. Despite the newer Titan having more power and weighing more, it does 6 MPG better, probably only because of the 9AT.
I drove both trucks on the same routes many times over the years.

To be fair, my 2021 still gets poor MPGs in town. Maybe only 1 MPG better than the old truck. But my use of trucks is for towing, off-roading and long road trips. We also have a new Corolla hatchback for in-town MPGs if we want to be fuel efficient.

So, I'm a bit unimpressed by the economy of the new Tundra and Tacoma. Personally, when I get a smaller truck, I'm going to avoid the hybrid Toyotas of this generation. Aside from power, I don't see a compelling reason to go hybrid on the current models.

 

These are all valid points. The chief engineer said in a video somewhere that the main thing they had to keep with the 4th gen was the ability to park it in a garage. That was the biggest concern Toyota got from owners. Because of this one thing, Toyota was really limited in what they could do and it explains the size constraints. I hope Toyota is taking note and may consider future Tacoma somewhere in between the Tacoma and the Tundra size. Doubtful but it would be a cool thing to see. I also agree that the styling may not age well. I'll add a #5 to the list: The infotainment screen. I really wish it was flush mounted like the Frontier and not the same old stuck on dash look.

 

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/payload-gvwr-thread.824087/page-4

Payload (1605lbs) is more than my 13 Tundra.. Definitely wouldn’t fit into the “sucks” category.

 

Yes. Garage. For the DCSB at total length 213 inches I have about a foot to move around in front of it when parked. I can still get to my beer refrigerator. (Something Sheldon should have mentioned! I am sure he has one of those.) The DCLB adds another foot, eating up that space. I need a new garage, house, or something. Maybe place less priority on the beer refrigerator?

 

Ranger has an 20 gallon tank in Raptor and an 18 gallon tank in the other trims. I doubt the raptor has greater range over the other trims with only 2 more gallons to feed it.

GM midsize have the biggest tank at 21 something.

So three point something gallons larger tank. Not sure it’s going much further figuring fuel mileage differences.

If you want a bigger tank, you need a longer bed. If you get a longer bed, your turn radius gets worse and the longer vehicle reduces manuever room at the same time.

Not sure now they fit a 25 gallon tank in my old 1986 Bronco II, but that thing had great range.

It would go more than 500 miles. Never did find out how far it would go as it had more range than even my 20 to 30 year old bladder.

 

With respect to fuel range, the 4th Gen Tacomas may be somewhat enhanced due to the MUCH reduced rolling resistance of the 4th Gen compared to older Tacomas. There is a shocking difference between my 2024 and my 2006 2nd Gen.

I came to my 4th Gen from an "identical"(not) 2nd Gen. They were/are both silver TRD Offroad manual shortbed Tacomas. I'd still be driving my 18 year old 2006 Tacoma, if I hadn't crashed it a year ago. Like the Top Gear Hilux, it couldn't actually die. It just had enough cosmetic damage that my insurance company totaled it. The highway patrol officer on the scene just told me to drive it home after making sure that we were OK.

So, back to the rolling resistance, my new truck doesn't have any at all! Well, compared to my 2006 Gen 2. Rolling down hill on the highway, my old truck would slow down unless I kept it in gear and gave it gas. Maybe it was the drum rear brakes, or whatever. I never did change those brakes. They still had over 50% left on the pads when I wrecked it.

My new truck seems to accelerate when coasting on any road that seems flatish. I averaged 17 mpg for all 18 years of my first Tacoma's life. I expect much better mileage from my new one just based on how easy it coasts along when in neutral.

Let's see, 17mpg X 20 gallons = 340 miles. All I have to get is 19 mpg on the new truck and it matches the range of my old truck. I think it's going to beat that number.
j.

 

I have an attached single vehicle garage. Going through the doorway, I have 3" on each side. When parked inside with the door closed, I have 4" in the front, and 3" in the rear. Getting in and out is no problem because the truck door lines up with the indentation of the house door. I can even open up and put things in and out of the rear door.

 

Yeah, “OP” hasn’t signed in since a week after making the post in…2023.

It was fascinating. It was tragic.

 

Most of the time I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories but maybe this new engine with the turbo is emitting a lot of jealousy and cognitive dissonance?

My idea with this is we did a whole lot of prolonged shopping, repeat testing, tested the competitors and alternatives. Also comparing the experience from owning earlier Toyotas. From that comparing when turned off or from driving we probably didn't breathe any of that. In our method of the careful comparison and use we must have been fooled and only found a much improved product also strong against the competition.