What's your Religion?

CAVEMAN 1: Why do you think we're here?
CAVEMAN 2: I dunno.
CAVEMAN 2: Maybe we're here because there's some great being that wants us to be.
CAVEMAN 1: I like that.
CAVEMAN 3: Me too.
CAVEMAN 4: Word.
CAVEMAN 2: ....
CAVEMAN 2: Uh, and I can talk to it!
CAVEMEN: Really?!? AWESOME! What does it say?
CAVEMAN 2: ....
CAVEMAN 2: ...uh....
CAVEMAN 2: ...
CAVEMAN 2: It says you have to do what I tell you to.

 

Ive had creationists tell me that when Cro-Magnon appeared on the planet, is when Adam and Eve started.

 

I was just suprised that there were creationists that believed the earth was older than 4000 years.

 

.......it's not blind trust for me, when we test it, research it, and find that things in this world line up with what it says. I don't trust anything or anyone but myself, until all I've tried to disprove it in my mind fails, then I trust in the one who made it all happen.

....and I'm almost 41 and I haven't evolved at all...I'm still a human......an adapted to my environment human, but still a member of humankind......I have not seen one kind of critter change to another kind of critter in my life, not once.

evolve, or de-evolve, or adapt?

There is no 'proof', nobody was there for the big bang so it can't be stated as fact. And the proof is debatable therefore according to science since it is not observable nor provable, not a fact, only a belief. And I don't state creation as a fact, but as my belief. America is a free country, believe what you want, just don't tell me big bang or any other theory is fact. That, in my opinion is what is wrong with society from both sides.

To evolve is to add information to the DNA code. How can you add something that is not available? Simple really.

Natural selection is what actually happens, which is the removal of information, not adding information. I can give analagies, but there is no need if you have studied it and are aware of what I am saying.

This topic should go to here> http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/17484-creationism-vs-evolution.html

 

yep, I believe it's about 6000

 

http://youtu.be/o89iKsKw19M

 

^that's a nice little jingle.....thanks for reading.

 

Did you run across plans for the ark in your research? I could use them about now.

 

......actually all the plans are in the Bible. I think Answers in Genesis foundation or someone else is considering a recreation of the Ark. Let me make a few calls and see if we can get that bumped up a bit.

Don't worry, God promised he wouldn't flood the earth again. Although the northeast is probably questioning Him about now.

 

I'm in the north east... I think "He's" toying with us a bit.

To add my 2 cents to the post... I believe that God and science go hand in hand. If there was a "big bang"... something had to "light the fuse". I don't believe in macroevolution, but I do believe in microevolution. I claim the Christian faith. I don't believe in berating people with my chosen religion; I believe in living my faith, and through example showing my beliefs. Although I'm not closed to sharing discussion when the opportunity presents itself.

 

Thanks. And yes we are.

 

yes God and science go together, but no where in the Bible did God create evolution.

Genesis is the foundation for the entire Bible, and since you claim the Christian faith, you should study it more in depth to prove all your beliefs to yourself. Don't let the world influence you.

The literal six day creation makes sense to me after I dug in deep.

 

well, not you though.



just looked, and right around you it looks like over 10" of rain in last 24 hours. wow man, hope your hanging in there ok.

 

"don't let the world influence you". wow

 

I agree that no where in the Bible does it say that God created evolution; however, the creatures that God created have the natural God given ability to adapt. Microevolution is vastly different from macroevolution. If you're interested, there is a lot of useful information on the following website: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_36

Edit: As for your comment "don't let the world influence you" - I believe that knowledge is a valuable tool that can be used to formulate ones own opinon, and assist in making well informed decisions. I do agree with you in the sense that other people's assertions should not be the sole influence on your beliefs. I also beilieve in keeping the faith, even when it's assaulted by contrary evidence - although I don't think microevolution conflicts with Christianity.

 

Why would I trust something that does evolve? I would rather put my trust into something truthful and solid- evolution is complete opposite of that. Blindly trust? Nope, I know seen how God works through personal experience and how i've seen God work through others (No, i'm not talking about the shows where demons are cast out and disabled people are healed on television). Have I evolved physiologically over 26 years? Yea, but I'm not evolving into a dinosaur, nor has humanity's physiology changed. How do you believe a theory that is scientifically disproved? Again, I go back to my post regarding carbon dating. Read it, you'll learn something.

The truth is that the theory of evolution is based on huge assumptions about things that happened in the unobservable past. (Remember that the scientific method requires observation and repeatable research. So calling evolution “science” doesn’t make any sense.)
For instance, the theory stands on dubious dating methods. One is carbon dating, a method used to date dead plants and animals. All living plants
and animals contain the same ratio of two types of carbon, 14C and 12
C, which they get from the atmosphere and from space. When an organism dies, 14C begins disintegrating while 12C levels remain constant. Thus, measuring the carbon ratio in a dead plant makes it possible to estimate how long ago the plant died.
Bear in mind that even the most advanced techniques cannot detect 14C in specimens older than 80,000 years. In 1997, the Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth group (RATE) began an eight-year project researching data typically ignored or censored by evolutionists. One of their discoveries was significant levels of 14C found in various samples of both coal and diamonds collected worldwide.
The finding indicates that the coal and diamonds could not be billions of years old, as evolutionists claim.

“in the beginning, God created” is true, God is the supreme authority and, as His creation, we are subject to Him. Fallen human nature doesn’t like that arrangement.

I believe it, and you don't have to. You can have your opinions, but this is what I believe. You can't compare dragon stories with no scientific backup.

The gospels, Mathew mark luke and John wrote about Jesus when he was alive and testified to his miracles
Let’s begin with a more foundational question: What distinguishes myth from reality? How do we know, for example, that Alexander the Great really existed? Supposedly, in 336 b.c., Alexander the Great became king of Macedonia at 20 years of age.
In spite of the box office flop, historians believe Alexander existed because of three primary reasons:

1written documentation from early historians
2historical impact
3other historical and archaeological evidence

The historicity of Alexander the Great and his military conquests is drawn from five ancient sources, none of whom were eyewitnesses.
Keeping Alexander as a reference point, we’ll note that for Jesus there are both religious and secular historical accounts. But we must ask the question, were they written by reliable and objective historians? Let’s take a brief look.
the consensus of most historians is that the Gospel accounts give us a clear picture of Jesus Christ.
An important distinction between a myth and a real person is how the figure impacts history. For example, books have been written and movies produced about King Arthur of Camelot and his Knights of the Roundtable. These characters have become so notorious that many believe they were real people. But historians who have searched for clues to their existence have been unable to discover any impact they have had on laws, ethics, or religion. A kingdom with the grandeur of Camelot should certainly have left its footprints on contemporary history. This lack of historical impact indicates King Arthur and his Knights of the Roundtable are simply mythical.

The historian Thomas Carlyle said, “No great man lives in vain. The history of the world is but the biography of great men.” As Carlyle notes, it is real people, not myths, who impact history.

As a real person, Alexander impacted history by his military conquests, altering nations, governments, and laws. But what of Jesus Christ and his impact on our world?

The first-century governments of Judea and Rome were largely untouched by Jesus’ life. The average Roman citizen didn’t know he existed until many years after his death, Roman culture remained largely aloof from his teaching for decades, and it would be several centuries before killing Christians in the coliseum became a national pastime. The rest of the world had little if any knowledge of him. Jesus marshaled no army. He didn’t write a book or change any laws. The Jewish leaders hoped to wipe out his memory, and it appeared they would succeed.

Today, however, ancient Rome lies in ruins. Caesar’s mighty legions and the pomp of Roman imperial power have faded into oblivion. Yet how is Jesus remembered today? What is his enduring influence?

More books have been written about Jesus than about any other person in history.
Nations have used his words as the bedrock of their governments. According to Durant, “The triumph of Christ was the beginning of democracy.”
His Sermon on the Mount established a new paradigm in ethics and morals.
Schools, hospitals, and humanitarian works have been founded in his name. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Oxford are but a few universities that have Christians to thank for their beginning.
The elevated role of women in Western culture traces its roots back to Jesus. (Women in Jesus’ day were considered inferior and virtual nonpersons until his teaching was followed.)
Slavery was abolished in Britain and America due to Jesus’ teaching that each human life is valuable.
Former drug and alcohol dependents, prostitutes, and others seeking purpose in life claim him as the explanation for their changed lives.
Two billion people call themselves Christians. While some are Christian in name only, others continue to impact our culture by teaching Jesus’ principles that all life is valuable and we are to love one another.
Finally, perhaps one of the most convincing historical evidence that Jesus existed was the rapid rise of Christianity. How can it be explained without Christ? How could this group of fishermen and other workingmen invent Jesus in a scant few years? Did Gilgamesh have this impact? Did a fire breathing dragon do this? Does any other figure? No.



There are many books that reference historically accurate locations that are works of fiction (if that was going to be used as a defense). Like you said, many religions had the same stories over and over that were slightly changed. This is just another form of Roman/Greek mythology used to try to explain how things happened when they had no actual clue. Time and science proved them wrong and it will happen again. There will be definitive proof and science will be the one to find it.[/QUOTE]

How exactly has time and science proved the bible wrong? There will be- future presence, and that hasn't happened yet. When it does, let me know.

As a reminder, I am not trying to force my beliefs on anyone