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Towing travel trailer with partial tow package

Discussion in 'Towing' started by wtjl240, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Nov 25, 2014 at 5:12 PM
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    Whatever you do, do not compromise. You will regret it.
     
  2. Nov 25, 2014 at 5:16 PM
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    Oh I know. I'm really looking for a needle in the haystack though. TRD Sport, 4x4, 6MT, DCSB...
     
  3. Nov 25, 2014 at 5:19 PM
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  4. Nov 25, 2014 at 8:03 PM
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    Well that's to be expected jumping from 2008 to 2013... If you can afford the jump to a newer model, the only thing to check for should be whether or not it is a fair deal.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2014 at 6:57 AM
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    I can afford the 2013, however, that would really start to stretch my budget. I could do it but it'd be tight for a few months. Especially with a wedding coming up next summer. Here is the one Toyota offered (I think, I never received an email about it, just a phone call. It has the same miles that they told me): http://www.twincitynissan.com/VehicleDetails/used-2009-Toyota-Tacoma-PreRunner-Alcoa-TN/2390626463

    Differences between what I bought and this one:

    2008 - no towing
    2009 - rear view camera (I think), 10k more miles, towing package, camper shell
     
  6. Nov 26, 2014 at 3:35 PM
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    I was sold a car once on a Friday night, and the dealer called Monday to say that the financing wasn't going to work out but to keep the car while they worked to get the financing fixed. I had no clue this was even a possible thing, and I called some state government office (maybe the DMV, I really don't remember) and that state said that if the contract that was signed by me and the dealership wasn't accurate then the contract was null. So, if they found financing for me but the numbers were different than what the contract stated, then I could drop the car off at the dealership and be refunded and I had no liability for miles put on the car in the mean time or anything else. I ended up being really uncomfortable driving a car that I had no ownership of in any form and returned it to the dealer, and walked away with all my money and no problems.

    You might see if this is something that applies in your state as well. If the contract said "tow hitch" though and you were verbally told "tow package," and it was all signed and filled out then I figure you're stuck with what you have, but you could always press them on making it right and having them install the parts you were told were installed by them or someone else.
     
  7. Nov 26, 2014 at 3:41 PM
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    Well I believe I am stuck with it. They won't install the parts I need as they said it must be done from the factory. I went and looked at they one the proposed to me (nice truck btw) and it would be cheaper for me to buy it outright from the other dealer. I'd get even more negative equity though. The Nissan dealer with the other truck wouldn't budge on price so I left. I'm just going to try to sell this one outright. I'm so fucking pissed off right now. Partly my fault I know.
     
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    I would not pay 22K for a 6 year old Tacoma with 90K. We paid 19,500 for my '07 in 2010 (making it 4 years old) with 58K. Worse deal all around, though this is an SR5 4x2 and trim packages become less valuable on used vehicles.

    Sorry to hear OP. I would just get to researching here on TW and install those things yourself unless they really do have to be installed before the truck rolls off the line. I don't know about them.

    I don't see why you can't Ctrl+Z this thing and walk away like Pee did, then buy another. If there is nothing they can do, ask them to knock a little off of your note. It doesn't require them to fork over any cash and helps you in the longrun. I towed a utility trailer with a ZTR and weed eater all through highschool and I don't think I have any of those towing accessories. Hell, I didn't even put it in 4th gear like I was told to most of the time.
     
  9. Nov 26, 2014 at 6:18 PM
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    AFAIK all the stuff you're missing can be added aftermarket.
     
  10. Nov 26, 2014 at 6:55 PM
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    I wish I would have had those things before towing all that weight on the daily.

    I wonder if I can hand it off to a dealer for an identical model without them asking why :spy:
     
  11. Nov 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM
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    I asked and they said they will not install any of it. Even if they could they said it'd still only be rated for 3500 #. I'm just going to try to sell it and my camper. Even if I can find a trade, the way they fucked me over I'll be almost $10k in negative equity. I'm not doing that.
     
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    That blows. Sorry man.
     
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    x2. Not quite understanding the negative equity but that's a fault on my end.
     
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    When I traded my 2007 in, I owed $18,300 on it. They gave me $16,350 for it because of the frame damage. Now, if I trade for anything, I'd owe the -$2000 plus the difference of what I paid for this truck. I paid $21k but with TTT and negative equity it bumped it to $25k. The really shitty part is this dealer has my 2007 on their lot for $23,000 (2,000 more than I paid for originally).
     
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    They also said if we just traded back, they'd only give me 20k for the 2008 I just bought 2 weeks ago (already lost $1,500) and I'd still have to pay the difference between what they give me and what I owe. That's another 5k. I just applied for a personal loan so I can get out of this completely. My uncle has a 1998 dakota he wants to sell for $400. I'm planning to buy it when I get rid of this and pay off the personal loan, get out of some debt. Then I will reconsider a new truck, ordered straight from Toyota.
     
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    Absolute crap. Trade back should=trade back. I don't think you ever mentioned, did it state the accessories correctly or incorrectly? That offer is them making money off you for their mistake...

    I was going to suggest that earlier but was afraid that's not what your thread had asked. Buy a cheapo to sustain yourself and get on top of things, then buy a 3rd gen :stirthepot:
     
  17. Nov 29, 2014 at 7:54 PM
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    Update: My dad and I went and had a conversation with the dealership for about 1.5 hours. They said my truck would pull 5,000 lbs as it sits, but that doesn't include a trans cooler, oil cooler or anything related to a towing package. All the truck currently has is a 4 pin connection and class 3 hitch. They said they cannot add the full towing package because there would be a different radiator, 130 amp alternator, trans cooler, oil cooler, class 4 hitch, 7 pin wiring, and some different suspension parts. My camper is 3,700 lbs dry. Would I need a suspension upgrade if I kept this truck? It has the Bilsteins that come stock on TRD Sport models. Say they added the trans cooler, oil cooler, 7 pin, 130 amp alternator and class 4 hitch, would that not be sufficient or am I still missing something? Are the frames really different on towing package equipped trucks versus non towing equipped trucks? I still don't see why they couldn't just add those parts and that would be okay. This is a truck I want to drive until the wheels fall off.

    If they can't do that, they are also going to keep looking for a truck for me. They have a potential deal for a trade on a 2007 Nissan Frontier Nismo Off Road, 4x4, Auto, 55,000 miles that they would sell me at pretty much what they buy it for (~ $16,500). That would get me out of my negative equity situation or almost out of it. It would also be able to pull 6,500 lbs as it has the complete towing package.
     
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    They can't trade back because money has already changed banks.
     
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    I would look to add the parts myself. I don't know why the dealer is afraid to pop open the hood but that's nothing for a TW enthusiast, look for members in your area to help you... Research what it takes (cost, time, skill, tools) to add those things yourself and make an informed decision based on your findings... I would hate for you to have to switch to a different truck especially since you seem dedicated to your Tacoma. As for a suspension upgrade, I have never heard of towing package coming with different suspension. If you only tow you should be fine but for lots of hauling, our springs aren't that great. You would probably want to buy something like OME Dakars or Deavers or something like that. Do you plan to lift the truck at all? Many people swap out suspension anyways, and at high miles why not. Plus what's $500-$1000 on a 20K truck. (2.5%-5%)

    My truck came lowered on street tires and chrome dubs. Now it's 2.5" high with H/T tires and TRD FJ wheels, there's not really a point of no return when it comes to making the truck into what you need and I personally think you should do those that I mentioned before looking into a different truck. You should love the Tacoma.

    Ah, I didn't consider those factors.
     
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