Diesel yotas

Plus, I've seen 2 for sale. One on eBay, another on Craigslist

 

ya my dad had a 2wd diesel toyota when he was younger. said the thing had zero power but got great mpg

 

The 2016 Tacoma TRD OR, AC, AT who's VIN I have and was built 2 days ago (who knows when it gets to the dealer) will be replacing my diesel VW Jetta. Had a 2wd tacoma before the Jetta. The Jetta was great when I was commuting, but I don't any more -- just around town trips. Diesels *suck* at short trips and actually need regular longer trips to make the whole exhaust system happy. I had a nice $2500 warranty covered repair just 1500 miles ago because I wasn't driving enough -- diesel particulate filter clogged up. I think the emissions requirements CA puts in place are way different than those in Europe (inlaws in germany have a similar driving pattern to mine, no problems over *years* of such pattern).

I look forward to having a truck again, hell a toyota again, and not a euro money pit in the making.

 

This explains the Diesel issue pretty well: Skip ahead to 7:49

https://youtu.be/DCnu4e_mgRg?t=7m49s

 

Fuck, I watched so much nonsense in that video, skip to 8:00 minutes for diesel talk. He makes decent points but I don't give a fuck, DIESEL TACO NOW!!!

 

I had no idea about the modern, emission friendly diesels having so many issues. I want the diesel just for range between gas station stops not the towing, hauling and rest of it that are being mentioned by other people. The most I'm going to be hauling is a shell and drawer set full of "overland" gear and camp stuff. It looks like a secondary tank is going to be the way to go even with the extra weight.

 

Diesel Tacoma is not coming soon because Diesel doesn't pay for most drivers. Hence the gas engine model will outsell the Diesel anyways and the development cost to bring it over here isn't worth it. GM is doing it because they need more market share to make the Colorado work long term and they are throwing anything at the wall to get it. Nissan is doing the same thing with the Titan. Try something new, hope it works, and if it does the payoff COULD be huge. Toyota doesn't play those odds.

The only hope for Diesel diehards is that GM has more success with the Colorado Diesel than they ever hoped for. That's the only thing that could drive Toyota to putting one in the Tacoma.

 

Riddle me this.... Does the fact the U.S. Government recently picked the JLTV as the replacement humvee with has the dmax and Allison tranny in the gm girls? I have to admit, the DMax diesel is tempting, not for the power numbers but for the MPG, durability and resale. I know Yota Tacoma has always held the crown for resale value but a diesel holds its value crazy good.

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/

Edit. I don't know/think the Allison tranny is in the mid size but you get the point.

 

That truck has a version of the Isuzu Duramax and a transmission made by Allison but not the same one as the GM HD series. In other words, that JLTV shares absolutely no components, or even component manufacturers, as the Colorado or Canyon Diesel in the powertrain. Of course the military picked something that has some off the shelf components from GM's lineup. That saves cost and the military is all about trimming costs right now. Doesn't mean though that trimming those costs was the best decision.

Diesel is good in warfare because it isn't as much of a hazard in active combat as gasoline. It's been the favorite fuel of armies for a long time.

Diesel 3/4 and 1 tons hold their value because the engine does have a longer life span. That being said the initial cost on a Duramax truck is right around 60K on average, so it's not hard to see why the 5 year old ones are still worth 30-40K.

Just to clarify, the 2.8 L Duramax does not share anything with the larger Duramax. The 2.8 L Duramax isn't even a GM design, it's a GM rehash of a VM motori design. Vm Motori engines tend to suck.

 

I read the 3.0 in the fiat Ram has the Italian engine that GM first developed but was going belly up so they discontinued. The 2.8 is the Isuzu/GM engine which has been a partnership for decades.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/07/fiat-chrysler-3-0l-diesel-v6-is-actually-a-gm-engine/

 

The GM diesel isn't an Italian disaster like the ram Eco diesel. It's probably going to be a good engine.... I just don't like the car like driving experience that comes with that "truck" I prefer a truck experience in my Tacoma truck.

 

The GM 2.8 L engine is a VM motori design. Look it up. Yes it has some GM specific modification by Izusu, but it is not an Izusu design.

 

http://m.motortrend.com/wot/1402_gm_isuzu_invest_60_million_in_duramax_diesel_v_8_engine_plant.html

 

That's the V8 Diesel engine in the 2500HD/3500HD, not the engine in the Colorado. You do know they aren't the same engine right?

The Colorado is getting the I4 LWN engine, which is the GM version of the R428 VM Motori engine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines#A_428_DOHC

THIS IS NOT AN ISUZU ENGINE! This is the engine in the 2500HD/3500HD, designed from scratch by Isuzu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duramax_V8_engine

The engines are not related, nor did they share any development.

 

Hmm... well that is an interesting read. So it appears that while there was a short venture with VM Motori and developed years ago, this is a stand alone engine... Nothing to do with Isuzu NOR VM Motori at this stage.

 

Depends on how you look at it. The block and much of the basic construction is the same as an earlier VM Motori design. So in that way it still is a VM Motori at heart. However GM has made some minor modifications to the intake and fuel system that supplies the engine and the engine is built by GM. So it's not a VM Motori engine in that way.

I'm not saying this engine will suck, but the last version of this engine that came here was in the Jeep Liberty and didn't leave a good impression. This engine is much different though so we will see what it's like when it gets here. The truth of the matter is that, even if the engine is good, any problems with the emissions system and this engine will suffer the same fate as the 3.0 L in the Ram.

 

This is a true statement and one i can agree with... only time will tell for resale but GM does do diesels well... one cannot deny it, so IF and i mean IF they have done their homework which they know better than Fiat with diesels... it could be a good engine. I would think GM does diesel engineering for the U.S. better than Fiat... but as you stated... time will tell.

 

It has been my experience that the military's decision to go heavy fuel in all field vehicles has primarily been based on logistics. Having Gasoline powered vehicles abroad means having continue to supply Gasoline, where heavy fuel is already on hand for every other vehicle and piece of equipment. There has also been a huge push by B*g S****i to create smaller uav's that use diesel power, ie. Grey Eagle and Warrior, slowly replacing the Predator A model which requires Jet A fuel. While the turbo prop powered Predator B (Reaper and Hunter Killer) and newer jet powered Predator C (Avenger) both share JP-8 jet fuel.

 

A couple of things to note about a diesel & the Tacoma...

Even though manufacturers charge more for their diesels in the US. Diesel powered vehicles retain their values *much* better than the non diesel variants. Any extra money spent on a diesel will be made back when you go to sell. There are exceptions with every vehicle, and the exception here is possibly the 6.0l diesels Ford used in the early/mid 2000s.

The Tacoma frame would possibly need to be reinforced if fitting a diesel engine. Toyota's new 2.8l diesel (a good candidate) likely is heavier than the 3.5l engine, and outputs more torque (330ft/lb between 1600-2400 rpm - source ).

I'd be interested to know the differences between the Hilux & Tacoma frames (other than fully boxed for the Hilux).