Hub centric rings

Bought a set gorilla 108x106.1 for moto metal 951 wheels couldn't get rim on the hub with them on was way to tight . Am I suppose to force the wheel on or should the rim just slip over. Order another set just to see if I got the wrong size by mistake

 

Use a venier caliper to measure your rings... funny I just received my hubcentric rings for my wheels. Mine are 67.1mm to 60.1mm and I use a caliper to measure and it's pretty much dead on. I got aluminum alloy rings...but they won't go into my Lancer Evo X MR wheels. I used sand paper to remove any rust and oxidation from the center bore of the wheel and sanded the rings a little bit, but still won't go in unless I use a hammer. But I don't want to do that yet...want to find out how much force is normal...I also plan to use some grease or anti-seize between the ring and wheel.

First time using rings as well...thought I share with you my issues from tonight. I suspect I need to sand down my rings to 67mm to make them fit...wish I had a lathe where I can put them in and sand them evenly to fit the wheels.

 

No one knows?

 

Push them on. Have some also. Force will get you everywhere.

 

I spoke with my coworker... he suggest freezing the rings for whole night...then quickly install them. The heat contraction of being frozen will give enough play to install it. I plan to grease mine before install. If this doesn't work...leave the wheels out in the sun during a hot day while the rings are frozen and try that...it should provide the extra 0.1mm or more tolerance of getting them in without having to hammer and try to smash it in and never getting it out.

Either way...I think to remove them...it'll be a consumable part and can't constantly reuse.

Please give that a try and let us know...I'm going to try on mine too.

 

Ok the new ones come tomorrow. Chewed the old ones up trying to install them

 

I froze one hub ring and it did slide in a little bit better, but I still had some fitment problems... I don't know if heating the wheels will be enough or I need to order a custom set of hub rings for my wheels...they are supposed to be 67.1mm, but it's not fitting. Here are the wear marks on the hub ring...I will try to sand a little bit more....just have to be careful of creating a flat spot.

 

I have plastic ones and they slide right on the same exact wheel. I'm pretty sure it was my tires causing my vibrations though.

 

Got my replacement ones today . They slid right on .rim went on snug but didn't have to force it on . Vibration in steering wheel is gone completely . Mine are the plastic ones don't think they will make it after a tire rotation .

 

Mine have been on a while now and actually made it through a few rotations. I have been quite surprised.

 

I took it to my friend who has a lathe and removed 0.05mm and it fits fine as well... it's very tight, but can be removed.

 

I recently had ProComp 5001's put on. I noticed that they are lug centric. There is very little room with the center caps on that ive noticed. Talked with ProComp and this was their response: "They are lug centric and require a 60 degree conical seat lug to properly center the wheel to the vehicle. Hub rings are not required as long as the wheels are installed properly." The lug nuts that come with the wheels are the 60 degree conical's. With all that being said, is it still a good idea to add the rings?

 

They are not required, like I said, I had some vibes that just showed up when I installed new tires and wheels, I have since got new tires, suspension, same rims and no vibes at all so I will probably remove mine.

 

You a lot of people and you will get many answers. If the manufacturer states it's requires mag style lug nuts and your center bore of the wheel does not match the center bore of your rotor hub... then I suggest you get hub centric rings. It really depends on the manufacturer of the wheels. If the wheels were designed for mag style lug nuts and you then you use the conical kind, there's a chance that the lug nut will tighten to spec, but the wheel will still be loose or not torqued correctly since the lugs didn't push the wheels to the rotor with enough force to hold it. The other caveat is that if the wheels are designed for mag style lug nuts and you use conical lug nuts...the wheel opening for the lug nuts can deform and get damaged.

Talk with the manufacturer.... My wheels I bought had a bigger center bore than Tacoma. The wheels also calls out for Mag style lug nuts...so that's what I got. The best advice is contact the manufacturer of the wheels and don't rely on people's opinion. I read threads for more information, but you have to take it with a grain of salt and do your own research.

 

Several factors can cause vibration. You don't have ABS brakes...you drive fast and then had to brake several times quickly and locking up the brakes...the tires are locked, but the truck still goes....now you have a flat stop on the tire. So when you drive, the tire isn't completely round and causes vibration. Your old suspension was not aligned so it could cause the tire to wear differently. Your previous tires were not balanced for a long time and some tire weights could have fallen off..... There's many reasons why you can have vibration. If your wheel is not designed for the center bore of your vehicle...unless they are designed for conical lugs...it's best to get the correct wheels with the right center bore or use hub centric rings. If you look at mag style lug nuts... even if you do a star pattern to tighten the wheel...there's so much slop in mag style lug nuts that I'm not sure how you can perfectly align the wheel so it's centered while installing the lug nuts. Yeah it's not so bad if the wheel center bore is close to your vehicle's center bore...but what if it isn't....say Tacoma 2WD is 60.1mm center bore and your after market wheels are 76mm center bore. So now you have 16mm difference...that's 8mm each direction. Now go high speed and see what it'll do to your suspension and tires after so many years.

 

The vibes actually started just driving down the hwy one day, I thought it was a balance issue. I was actually on the way to get my new wheels. Had tires switched over and fought vibes off some more so I tried the rings. Yes I have the correct lug nuts, yes my ABS works. Some were probably driveline related as my leaf springs were sagging pretty bad. Its all smooth now

 

I was making a point that there are so many factors to tire vibration that one shouldn't jump to the conclusion that hub rings aren't required. I'm no tire expert, but I have the mag style lugs in my hand and I see the loose opening of the wheel for the lugs to go into... there's a lot of slop. The conical lugs were designed to shelf align and star pattern tighten should help with that, but these wheels where mag style are not self aligned... you take a big chance when you don't have something to aid in the alignment to centering the wheel when you tighten the lug nuts. Once it's on tight...it shouldn't move...the other benefit is the hub rings will continue to make sure it's center. For that..I'm glad I got alloy hub rings. All this is theory until I get my wheels installed. I just know the hub rings are not tight fit now and should be centered with 0.05 to 1mm difference...that makes me feel better.