Push Button Start

The lawsuits are because the people thought that the car would turn off without them actually doing anything to turn it off other than simply walk away. I would be very surprised if there is any payout to people who simply decided not to read their owner's manual or employ a little bit of common sense.

http://consumerist.com/2015/08/27/c...arbon-monoxide-dangers-that-led-to-13-deaths/

If push-to-start is only dangerous to incredibly stupid people, then I am all for it.

 

No there are other issues with them in terms of safety. You can turn off a push button start without the car being in park which is causing car rolling problems. The hybrids have caused issues with people walking away without shutting it off because the engine is hard to hear.
People have been trained for many years on a key. When the whole ritual of starting and stopping a vehicle changes, it can be a safety problem.
And for anyone, not stupid people. Tell me you wouldn't stop a car on accident without putting it in park.
I have on the push starts. Its really easy. Again a ritual done several times a day, everyday fot years and years is changing.

 

You can do that with a standard key ignition, too. Just don't do it and you'll be fine.

I doubt that will be a problem with the Tacoma.

People had been trained to get up to turn a dial to change TV stations. We adapted.

I still don't see how that's any different from a traditional key ignition.

And you can still get a regular key if you want. You can choose to adapt to a new ritual, or you can choose to continue practicing the old ways.

 

You can easily disable the FOB by holding down the lock button and pressing the unlock button twice. Red light will blink 4 times to confirm.
Pressing any function will turn it back on again. I do this on my spare key for our Rav4 to preserve the battery since I don't drive it that often.

 

You do not have to be stupid to forget to push the button to turn off a vehicle. Although the following examples could happen with a keyed vehicle, it is more likely to occur with a smart key system.
Someone who is very distracted when they park their vehicle such as my daughter who has 4 teenagers. Someone who just found out that they have a serious disease such as cancer and is not thinking right. Someone who has had a few drinks or has taken a mind altering drug. Although this person should not be driving, it happens all the time. Someone who is in the very early stages of dementia. Most times in the early stages of dementia the patient nor their family are aware that something is wrong. I know because I went through this with my wife.
There are many more examples that I could list that could cause an average person to forget to push the button to turn off the vehicle. Having said this, I had a smart key system on my 2013 Camry XLE and really liked it and would not hesitate to have it on a future car. But I do believe there needs to be a safety feature to shut the vehicle off after the smart key is removed from the vehicle.

 

It's not a push button issue; it's a people issue. I'm sure when keyed ignitions came out the "old timers" who only used the big cranks on the front of the car complained.

I have a 2010 Inifniti and when the fob is dead the console says "no key". The whole FOB can then be slid into the dash and the car will start. Also, the car can be turned off while in drive. I believe you have to hold the push button down for like 10 or 15 seconds.

I don't see how people could forget to turn a car off. Even in an emergency or stressful situation a keyed ignition still needs to be turned off. It's not like they magically turn off if you walk away with the car running... Same thing with push button.

 

You aren't understanding. When you have a push button start, you aren't used to a key, so you get trained to walk away without one. So it is very easy to not turn off the ignition when getting out. With a keyed ignition you'd be walking away without your keys (and the door beeps at you).


I like how a few of us want to disable the push button starts, then people rip on us for making a big deal out of it and being unresponsive to change, yet they are the one pushing the issue so much. I thought it wasn't a big deal guys?

 

Only if you dont get tired of your car being hacked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/style/keeping-your-car-safe-from-electronic-thieves.html?_r=0

Link to document that explains how to hack keyless (keyfob) cars.
http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf

Kids can do it.

 

I completely understand. I drove a car for 10 years with a key for the ignition. It took me all of a few hours to get used to push button. I don't see many people knocking you because you want it disabled. I certainly am not. You can try to do whatever you'd like.

I'm mostly responding to the reasons people are giving for wanting it disabled. The big one being "people walk away with the car running". That should never happen. Cars are cars. They need to be turned on and turned off. Period.
The process is exactly the same if there's a key or a button. The method on completing that task is the only thing different and arguably it's easier.

Plus, on my car once my key gets about 2 feet from the car while it's running it gives a few beeps.

 

Anyone can hack computers, routers, ATM's... Do you use a typewriter and snail mail your posts in to Tacoma world? Do you never use an atm? Do you not use a cell phone or wireless home phone? Despite all the security changes and advances with all those things above over the decades they still have vulnerabilities. There's always a hole somewhere.

Risks exist everywhere. Keyed ignitions can be wired to be stolen, physical keys can be copied. You're not stating anything new.

 

One of the things I like about the new limited is the push button start, for me, another reason to buy it, had push button start in a Rogue and loved it and never walked away with the car left running.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think all of the 2016 Tacos come with push button so just buy one that still has a key...

Problem solved.

 

I DON'T WANT CHANGE!

People are probably commenting because it's silly. Much like saying some people won't buy the new Tacoma because of the PIDDLY ASS WILL KILL ME REAR DRUMS. If you don't want push button start, buy a manual or go to another manufacturer. Nothing wrong with that quite honestly.

 

I had keyless on a rental car a couple weeks ago and when I stopped to fill up with gas I left the "fab" in the car. when I went to get back in, the door was locked. I called the rental company and they said "I" had to pay a locksmith to get back in. and I was responsible for damage if the balloon bent the door. all around bad keyless experience. but don't fear new technology...

 

Reading this makes me glad I have manual locks on my Taco, which are not available on the 2016's.

 

another clueless person that doesn't read before putting foot in mouth.

 

• I had regular keyed ignition on a rental car a couple weeks ago and when I stopped to fill up with gas I left the "key" in the car. when I went to get back in, the door was locked. I called the rental company and they said "I" had to pay a locksmith to get back in. and I was responsible for damage if the balloon bent the door. all around bad keyful experience. but don't fear old technology...

 

I have seen someone talking on the phone, get out of the car, at a gas pump, start to pump gas, and then realized she locked herself out of the car with the car running in a KEYED ignition car.

At least this wouldn't happen with a keyless car. But anyways all the mentioned scenarios before can most likely happen with a keyed ignition.

I personally love the push button keyless entry. I borrowed a cousins car with it, and it was so easy. I didn't forget anytime it was on etc. I like it because about half my time my keys are in a backpack or somewhere not that easily accessible so if I need something it is really easy to open the car. Granted this maybe saves me 30 seconds overall but the convenience is so awesome.

 

I agree, I have push to start in my C7 Stingray and its very convenient. Sometimes I forget I dont have in my Tacoma and there I go digging in my pockets or backpack for keys. So it will be nice when the Tacoma has push to start.

 

Hahaha I see your point. But I didn't lock the damn door myself. My key has never locked me out without me turning it.

That said- I'm sure I'd love the keyless after I had it for a bit.