So Toyota is wussing out on the Engine, dang it. 270HP but add gearing

Dabble.

 

Just to be clear, that pic is from the single VVT-i 1GR-FE, from the 2ng Gen Tacoma right?

Making sure we understand that is not the same engine or valve-train type.

 

The 15340 part in your document is the old style two position valve. It was on the valve cover on the old 2GR and 1GR engines. This new one is on the timing chain cover up where it meets the valve covers. I wish I could find those high red pics again.

Edit: it is a lot like this setup on the Subaru FA20 engine. They are the bright silver discs on the front of the engine on the left and right side that have the small connector sticking out. In fact, that is my best guess on what Subaru will do to boost the power on the BRZ/FR-S at the refresh next year. They will use the 3 position VVT to have a retard position, a middle to improve the torque dip, and an advanced timing position to give it a bit more top end. Maybe 150 ft-lb from 2000 to 7500. That'd give it 215hp peak but a stronger curve across the range.

 

Found a truck for Blue T!

 

Want.

 

Yes, but will Home Depot accept it for tool pickups @BlueT?

 

Or this

 

So the new engine is not really paning out, just like I thought.....
0-60 is about the same...
https://www.0-60specs.com/toyota-tacoma-0-60-times/

over all MPG is only slightly better
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/tacoma

And towing seams worse than the 2015 so far only 8.4 mpg towing... I get 10 in my tacoma(and 4runners) at 70-75, 12+ if I slow down with my 4000-6000 lb trailer... 14 mpg drafting my brother with over 6000 lbs at 65....
They have another test coming, but it did get better MPG than the tundra 8.1 with the 5.7.... And chevy now has the diesel and it really tows well...


so good base engine but in no way a real up grade just a new engine....
just add the trans and gearing and the 4.0 will be better..... the 3.5 are just to small NA for trucks.....
We need another engine option for the truck users....
I don't need a huge tundra just a good torque engine for the tacoma....
And with the electronics it is easy to have different modes normal, mpg, towing or sport....

So hopefully these other brands make Toyota come out with another class leading engine like they have for their trucks...
4.7, 4.6, 5.7 and the 4.0 have all been class leading engines when they came out. This is the first "truck engine" that they wussed out on since the 3.0....

come on Toyota you can do it.....

 

What category was the 4.0 class leading?

 

Most Mature Powertrain

 

First: I must ask, what kind of trailer are you towing (what's the shape)?
Second: if you are towing a trailer like the one shown in the video, I'll happily put myself out there and call BS on your non drafting numbers.
Third: this video is bad on a few counts; they are towing beyond the trailer tire speed rating (ST tires are speed rated at 65), it's not the mass of the trailer that is dragging them down, it's the drag of the trailer which is made worse by the speed! Just because Joe Dumbass might drive irresponsibly doesn't mean that is a good way to conduct a test.
Fourth: mass has impact on starting, stopping and hills

There are no comparative tests yet of the babymax to quantify how well it tows.

You want to add a lot more price tag to an old motor by adding to its electronics package?

I just don't understand how judgement is passed without firsthand knowledge and experience...

 

All this talk about V8s and V6s I'm over here like why not something similar 1FZ-FE inline 6 in the Tacoma. Lower horsepower in an inline typically but the are usually a torque monster. Not to mention they will run forever.

Yeah I'd be game for a 210 hp@4600 275 ft/lb @3200 inline 6 with a 6 to 10 speed transmission behind it. Preferably a manual. I'll take torque over hp any day. Add the vvti technology on to the old school dependably I know you could boost those numbers well above what those engines made in the '90s.

 

yeah, then more people would have stronger complaints about the erratic shifting because the engine only puts out 210 horsepower....

 

I dunno about a 10 speed but I would have been more excited about a torquey inline 6 than the fancy revver that we got. Needless to say, they didn't do it because mpg.

 

Like I said take the inline 6 design and mix it with today's tech. I am willing to bet both power and economy could be vastly improved. Torque output is more of a factor on the erratic shifting than the horsepower anyway. If you built a 278 hp inline 6 with a decent stroke length the torque numbers would easily be in the low to mid 300 ft/lb range.

 

I'm very confused here. All this complaining about the engine in Tacomas. Haven't they been slightly underpowered and a "smaller" truck for as long as they've been around?! I mean seriously, the guys moaning about them, you should probably reconsider your truck choice and go with something different that has the engine and specs you want. There ARE other trucks out there! The Tacoma is a light duty, mid-size truck, that is meant to tow small to moderate loads, be a daily driver, respectable off-road performance in it's stock form compared to the competition, etc. It's never been intended for what some of you are wanting it to be. The Tacoma is a moderate jack of all trades, and certainly a master of none (unless you count being a versatile master of none as a speciality!) With that said, it's versatility can also be it's biggest shortcoming for some who want a truck for a specific purpose, since the Tacoma doesn't really excel at any one particular task, which for others can be it's biggest selling point!

Either accept it for what it is or put your big boy pants on and open your wallet and step up to something else. Most of you probably really deep down want a bigger, more powerful truck (for whatever reason) but probably can't afford it, so you're stuck with the Tacoma!

Personally, it's perfect for me. I'm not looking to pull a horse trailer, don't use it for work, don't need to make up for any shortcomings in my pants, and just want a decent truck that's capable in t's stock form and doesn't require endless aftermarket mods, with good resale that will get me in the backcountry, haul my mountain bikes, surfboards, SUP's, the occasional Uhaul trailer, and load the bed up with mulch, soil, gear, stinky dogs, etc. Thats pretty much what the Tacoma is designed for. The weekend warrior who wants something that doesn't look like a Subaru wagon, and is a bit more capable, but doesn't need a Titan, Tundra, Ram, F-150/250/350, etc.

Toyota knows what they're doing. Why would they go nuts pleasing just a few of the whiners when they know they can get away with the current offering and still sell scads of these trucks?!

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Tacoma, more like people who are buying them are either doing so for the wrong reasons or not doing their homework. Nobody is putting a gun to your head, and as many f you have pointed out, there are several other options out there that suit many of your needs better. So why waste your time whining about the Tacoma? Why not get what you really want and be happy instead of continuing to state how much you hate this truck?!

 

This!!! ALL OF THIS!!

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The worst MPG towing with 2 runners and my Tacoma was 9.5....
usually in the 10-12 mpg with a 16 foot enclosed trailer most the time 4000-5000 pounds....
and can pull at 2000-3500 rpm range....
with the 4.0 the speed made more of a difference than speed.... And the runners got better MPG towing than the tacoma

I'll take the same engine just lager displacement.....

They will be running the Ike gauntlet soon so we will have a test of the 2015, 2016 and the chevy V6 and diesel...
The new Colorado slightly out pulled the 2015 Tacoma, so we will see how the 2016 Tacoma does.....