AR-15 BS Thread

Can I join? I had one of these. Pew..
Had a blast with it in a few of my classes.

 

Hey, fellow m4c guy! Yes, that is a good deal.

Unsure is this is sarcasm or not but yes, Aimpoint is on plenty of of service weapons and their products have more than proven themselves . The Aimpoint on my work gun got plenty of abuse and in five years I changed 1 battery.

This will sound dicky, sorry, it's not meant to be - don't buy something and then after the fact ask if you got a good deal. It's yours now, the point is moot. Anyway, the the hard truth is they are at the low end of the ar food chain. Delton, Shrub Master, Anderson, Armalite and a couple others. They use lesser quality parts and finishes, and have much less quality control on part manufacturing and assembly (willing to bet it's gas key isn't properly staked, very common). Like anything else, you get what you pay for, and that is how you get a $500 'out the door' AR. Plenty of them function just fine. If you're shooting paper and cans then don't worry much about it. If it functions through that you can probably trust it for home defense too. If you bought it thinking about taking classes, you might end up disappointed. The big questions to ask yourself about your new rifle are "how will I be using it, and what do I expect from it?".

 

Sooooo clossseeeee ill be patiently waiting for the mailman tuesday...

 

This will sound dicky, sorry, it's not meant to be - don't buy something and then after the fact ask if you got a good deal. It's yours now, the point is moot. Anyway, the the hard truth is they are at the low end of the ar food chain. Delton, Shrub Master, Anderson, Armalite and a couple others. They use lesser quality parts and finishes, and have much less quality control on part manufacturing and assembly (willing to bet it's gas key isn't properly staked, very common). Like anything else, you get what you pay for, and that is how you get a $500 'out the door' AR. Plenty of them function just fine. If you're shooting paper and cans then don't worry much about it. If it functions through that you can probably trust it for home defense too. If you bought it thinking about taking classes, you might end up disappointed. The big questions to ask yourself about your new rifle are "how will I be using it, and what do I expect from it?".[/QUOTE]


Thanks for your response. I'm just plinking with it. Maybe try to shoot some varmints. I'm not going after isis with it. Do you have any hands on experience with Del-Ton? The guys at the shop were showing me lowers and said it has the same lower as most $1000 AR's. They said the only real difference is that does not have a chrom played barrel. They were Probably just trying to sell it to me...again I'm a newbies.

Any recommendations for a decent scope for all around use? Would like magnification. Thanks in advanced.

 

[QUOTE="Jsnyder31x, post: 14442969, member: 183164"
Thanks for your response. I'm just plinking with it. Maybe try to shoot some varmints. I'm not going after isis with it. Do you have any hands on experience with Del-Ton? The guys at the shop were showing me lowers and said it has the same lower as most $1000 AR's. They said the only real difference is that does not have a chrom played barrel. They were Probably just trying to sell it to me...again I'm a newbies.

Any recommendations for a decent scope for all around use? Would like magnification. Thanks in advanced.[/QUOTE]

No personal experience with Del-Ton, but hope you got a good one. My suggestion would then be to do a little interwebs research to learn what to inspect for proper assembly. A good site to join is M4carbine.net. Read and search before posting there. Very knowledgeable folks that can be a little intolerant of newbs. As previously posted, improper staking of the gas key is very common, as is improper staking of the castle nut. Once you've checked these few things and insured that they're correct, enjoy it . As far as the lower goes, they were telling you somewhat of a half truth. Most companies that produce ars' buy the lower in an unfinished state, kind of like any of us buying an 80% lower and finishing it ourselves, then send it out to be finish machined. Low end companies say - "just get it to within the mil spec +/- tolerances, and check every 100th part for correctness. Some parts will end up on the + side of the tolerance, some on the - side. When these parts come together, they function, but not at their best. This is referred to as "tolerance stacking". High end companies will have the part machining held closer to perfect on the +/- scale, and have every part inspected. These costs affect what we finally pay, and are why you could end up with a good or bad cheap gun - it's because you're gambling a little.

I can't give you any scope advice, I don't use one. Plenty of people here do though, and I'm sure someone will be plenty happy to help. I can at least point you to a couple of reliable sites to check.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/
http://www.primaryarms.com/
I can at least tell you that Primary Arms' house branded stuff is generally a good value.

 

No personal experience with Del-Ton, but hope you got a good one. My suggestion would then be to do a little interwebs research to learn what to inspect for proper assembly. A good site to join is M4carbine.net. Read and search before posting there. Very knowledgeable folks that can be a little intolerant of newbs. As previously posted, improper staking of the gas key is very common, as is improper staking of the castle nut. Once you've checked these few things and insured that they're correct, enjoy it . As far as the lower goes, they were telling you somewhat of a half truth. Most companies the produce ars' buy the lower in an unfinished state, kind of like any of us buying an 80% lower and finishing it ourselves, then send it out to be finish machined. Low end companies say - "just get it to within the mil spec +/- tolerances, and check every 100th part for correctness. Some pasts will end up on the + side of the tolerance, some on the - side. When these parts come together, they function, but not at their best. This is referred to as "tolerance stacking". High end companies will have the part machining held closer to perfect on the +/- scale, and have every part inspected. These costs affect what we finally pay, and are why you could end up with a good or bad cheap gun - it's because you're gambling a little.

I can't give you any scope advice, I don't use one. Plenty of people here do though, and I'm sure someone will be plenty happy to help. I can at least point you to a couple of reliable sites to check.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/
http://www.primaryarms.com/
I can at least tell you that Primary Arms' house branded stuff is generally a good value.[/QUOTE]

Thanks again for your time and knowledge, I'm going to tear the weapon down at some point this weekend and give it a good go over and lube. I found info about the gas key and staking...I may post a pic of mine just to see some thoughts of it. With the proper jig it doesn't seem like a hard process to complete correctly if needed.

Just for my knowledge im going to give del-ton a call Tuesday and ask them about their lowers: who makes them what tolerances are acceptable etc. I'm just interested to see what they have to say.

I checked out both the websites and Lots of info there as well. Thanks for stearing me in the right direction.

 

Finally done!

 

While I don't haul this one around in my truck, this is my favorite AR I own.


I do keep a Colt LE6920 handy in case I need one to throw into the truck. Out of all of my AR's one of my Colts gets to take all the scuffs and abuse that comes with being a truck gun/Go to carbine. With NC's laws about loaded rifles though, I also keep this handy (still considered a pistol in NC). I can carry it stuffed in my truck and it can be concealed in my vehicle legally with a CCW permit. Love my MPX

 

So here is the gas key it definitely has some burrs that need filing. Any other advice would be appreciated.

 

Delton is a value brand but a very good value brand I have had 2 and beat the shit out of them with no issues....

 

Are you talking about the Allen screws, that are intentionally peened/steaked over to keep them in place? NO, don't touch them.

 

Finally somebody to say something positive about them and not just bash them!

 

Those look penned very well. I've seen colts not penned that well.

 

I just knocked a bit of the burr off, the screws are definitely not coming out.

 

I agree, I have seen much cleaner penning jobs

 

Don't file anything. The left side staking looks good, just look closely at the right side to see if the stacking is pushed into the screw, not just pushed over it.

Well, correct staking pushes material into the screws, not over them. I agree he shouldn't file it, but should check that the one side is done correctly.

No one is trying to bash anything (at least I'm not, haven't read the entire thread), but the reality is manufacturers putting $500 rifles on the shelf are doing so buy lowering their standards, not their profit margins. I don't go telling everyone you need a 2k boutique rifle, but spending more pays for quality control the lower price one doesn't get. The buyer of a $500 rifle should accept that they should take it upon themselves to make sure everything is correct.

 

Did some run and gun with my 6.8 today and gotta say I really like the setup, I just need to take the time to do a final zero on it and then run some more rounds through her.
Although I kinda want to put a 1-4 or 2-8 scope on it instead of the 3-9, but I'll probably just end up building a 12.5" upper to do that with.

 

The only problem with that statement is that the people that are generally buying that level of AR, doesn't have enough knowledge to take it upon themselves to make sure everything is correct.

 

Its a 20" Stainless. The accuracy of this thing was blowing my mind today, sub-MOA with garbage steel cased ammo.

 

Oh I agree, that's why I pointed jsnyder to m4c, because even the shop tried to either mislead him with their "they all use the same lower bs', or some sales guy has no idea what he's talking about. But honestly, there's plenty of people buying more expensive ones and they still know very little. There's plenty of information out there, and people on forums willing to help, for someone buying a budget ar to make a good choice at their price point.