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Discussion in '2nd Gen. Builds (2005-2015)' started by jberry813, Oct 10, 2016.

  1. Feb 26, 2017 at 8:15 PM
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    I am more concerned about the leaf twisting at droop limit. Shit gonna snap one day.
     
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    jberry's 2012 DCSB Constantly changing thread name Build
     
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  3. Feb 26, 2017 at 8:19 PM
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    I guess I'm not understanding what's different then about my comment on usable travel? With what I have right now with no shocks at all, 11" was max travel (and that was with spring retainers removed). Maybe I need to measure travel with your method...or you with my method. And we can trade tape measures too?

    The reality is, travel numbers are just TW dick measuring. I care about tuning a hell of a lot more.
     
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  4. Feb 26, 2017 at 8:33 PM
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    I understand what you meant about tuning. Luckily for me tuning is irrelevant at low speeds. I still have not strapped my rear, and have yet to destroy my shocks. My method was using top spring only with a block to match assembled spring pack thickness. My measurements indicated max travel of 11.5" with my set up. Real world conditions ended up showing me that I fucked those measurements up.
     
  5. Feb 26, 2017 at 8:38 PM
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    There's no way in hell everybody is smarter than you... maybe some people might be, but people like @scocar still fall below the curve
     
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    Like it or not, I am still learning at an age when most think they know it all. Obviously I need to refine where I look for knowledge.
     
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    I love the cold hard truth you lay down, and people actually listen. Sometimes anyways. Sucks about those 4x shackles. Sounds like they need some better quality control. I thought about buying those a few times but always hold off because why fix whats not broke.
     
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  10. Feb 27, 2017 at 6:28 AM
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    Jerry, thanks for the details on the 4x shackles. I recently became aware of them a few weeks
    I had to unsubscribe this thing thing with all the people bashing, intentional or accidental. And let's not talk about the black dildos, and blowup dolls in the products discussed in this thread. Just post some manly random links to Amazon and that should get flushed out. Well at least it's worth a try.

    And I think perhaps your build threads should come with some kind of warning label. The So called Penguin build, you linked to, I'm reading your old post from 2012, where you were cycling the suspension, and I'm like okay, looks good... Continue scrolling down and then half naked women show up, as my wife is like 2' away! Haha close one!

    All that aside, I'm glad to speak suspension with you for a few if you'll be serious.

    Thanks for reviewing the 4x shackles. Too bad build quality isn't better. I don't think I'd have run them with the bushing that short. I don't suppose you measued ID of bushing before install? I have reviewed a few different vendors offerings and could possibly recommend an alternative. Anyways, I'm very close to installing my modified stock greasable shackles.

    Regards to your measuring, you didn't say in your quoted post above, or in the 1st gen build post you linked me too, so for the sake of clarity can you please tell me exactly where you are measuring from? Which point to which point? And what are you calling this value?

    Thanks.
     
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  11. Feb 27, 2017 at 6:54 AM
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    ID of the bushing? As in the sleeve diameter? Or do you want the ID of the tube (OD of the bushing)?

    When I measured above on the second gen, I measured from the hydro bump stop fully compressed vertically strait down to the top of strike plate on the u-bolts with the pack fully drooped out. The reality is you can measure from any point as long as it's consistent and the truck/environment is static...and both sides of the suspension are doing the same thing (I.E. both sides bump or both sides droop). You could bump your suspension and measure from the ground to the hub...and then droop it and measure ground to hub and subtract the difference. Or you could measure from frame to top of axle on bump/droop and again calculate the delta. The delta is total travel. Obviously flexing/articulating travel will be larger than strait suspension travel.

    Sorry if my builds are offensive. It's just pictures and words though.

    And my name is not Jerry.
     
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  13. Feb 27, 2017 at 7:23 AM
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    I think there may be some confusion over terminology with a lot of people using terms interchangeably when they actually mean very different things.

    "Suspension travel" and "wheel travel/tire articulation" are 2 different things.
    Wheel/tire articulation is dependent upon is easily modified by spacers, backspacing, tire size, etc.
    Suspension travel is just that, for the rear axle on a second gen it would be measured from both sides drooped out, to both sides bumped out. You can measure from wherever you want as long as both sides are drooped/bumped together and then find the difference between them.

    Am I summing this up correctly?
     
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    From a shock length, limit strap and bump stop placement perspective the articulating travel is what we care about, right? Since that's the worst case for the components in question.
     
  15. Feb 27, 2017 at 7:27 AM
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    LOL, I seriously appreciate your patience with this stuff, you've got more knowledge of suspensions than a good percentage of Tacomaworld combined(myself included), everyone who has any interest in suspensions is just trying to catch up.
     
  17. Feb 27, 2017 at 7:31 AM
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    No. Articulation is measured at the hub which is why articulation numbers are greater. The suspension isn't going to bump or droop more when articulating. Think about it...if you add a 4" wheel spacer, your articulation number will increase, but the suspension cycles the exact same amount. It's just one side up and one side down. Bump/droop is max travel.
     
  18. Feb 27, 2017 at 7:36 AM
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    I take back what I said earlier, there is A LOT of confusion going on with terminology.
     
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    Jerry 4 Prez.
     
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