Are kings/Icon/Fox really worth it?

Pre loading the spring does not appreciably create a rougher ride. All coilovers lift the truck by preloading the spring the same way.

You cannot say the king is a smoother ride than anything else without having ridden both of them.

 

A Polaris Rzr or a Can Am Maverick?

 

you cant compare a purpose built off road vehicle to an off the shelf truck. The UTV's have far more suspension travel than a tacoma.

 

Wow, you're an ass.

"Springs store and release energy. They have no way to appreciably dissipate any energy. Thats where a shock absorber comes in. Shock absorbers, no matter the construction, dissipate energy in the form of heat."

- Yeah, that's what I said

"Emulsion shocks refer to a shock that has no separation between the gas and oil. There is no dividing piston between the gas and oil, like in a monotube."

- Yeah, that's what I said

"DeCarbon is a brand name and thats it."
- Yeah, I initially stated DeCarbon style shocks, but didn't say style everytime I typed it, because I was just giving a brief explanation not writing a patent application. v

"Cartridge shocks" are not a type of shock
- Yeah, they are. Listen carefully, a motorcycle fork is a the same thing as a coil over shock. If it makes you feel better you can call it a Coil Inside Shock.

"Bypass shocks. These are either twin-tube or monotube shocks where fluid flow is allowed to "bypass" the piston. Fluid that bypasses the piston does not have to go through the damping circuit."
- Yeah, check valves bypass fluid

"The price difference comes down completely to aesthetics, you can have bland looking shocks, or shiny anodized shocks."
-Ummm, you're just an idiot

I stand by the simple description I offered to forum in the thread in the spirit of sharing and helpfulness, the basic information is correct it wasn't meant to be the end all discussion to everything ever known about suspension.

 

You also said that 5100s are emulsion shocks. Which is wrong.

Your brief explanation of decarbon style shocks is also largely wrong regarding damping style.

Check valves do not bypass fluid. They simply decide what direction fluid is allowed to flow.

Cartridge shocks are still not a type of shock.


Lol go tear apart a shock from bilstein and a shock from king. You will find pretty much the exact same materials in the damping circuit. You have been so blinded by marketing, lies, and stupidity.

 

Didn't sound like an ass to me. Just a hell of a lot more right! Don't take it personally, I was gonna state the same corrections after reading your drawn out post but glad Cougar did first.

 

I haven't torn a 5100 apart, typically OEM shocks are emulsion type. Minor technicality in that the effort was describing different shock types and maybe picked a wrong example, but whatever.

That is exactly what a Decarbon style shock is. oil and gas in separate reservoirs, unlike emulsion style where the oil and gas are mixed

definition of Bypass: change direction

The cartridge fork is the predecessor of bypass shocks, the shim stack solution in a fork serves the same purpose as bypass valving. If you are so dim witted that you really think that a fork leg isn't a suspension component, I can't help you. Any moron can see a fork leg is just a shock with the spring inside.

But, I'm done with a coward that has to create a new member account to hide his identity

 

Can I play?

My penis is HUGE.

 

Yes

 

What about race Runners?

 

OEM shocks are typically twin tube shocks as they are cheap to produce. In normal use there is no gas oil mix where the piston is active. Emulsion shocks have huge issues with oil foaming and mixing with the air, even the cost conscious OEMs arent willing to use them.

Definition of bypass: a secondary channel, pipe, or connection to allow a flow when the main one is closed or blocked. Almost there buddy.

The shim stack solution in a cartridge fork is no different then what any suspension manufacturer is selling. Bypass shocks add an additional position sensitive component to the shock, most cartridge forks are not position sensitive. When people are talking about bypass shocks on here they are talking about external bypass shocks.

A fork leg itself isnt a shock or a spring, you got one point right. The shock and spring are inside the fork leg. In some cases the shock is in one fork leg and the spring is in the other leg. This still makes it a cartridge fork. Just because you put a spring inside of a shock doesnt mean you changed the type of shock it is. It still falls under either the monotube or twin-tube category. Hell some of them are even technically emulsion shocks. http://www.racetech.com/articles/CartridgeForks.htm

The issue isnt that you provided information. Its that you provided wrong information to a member searching for correct information. The correct information can be easily googled and those links were provided in my initial response.

Whether right or wrong, these forums are an echo chamber. Whoever is the loudest seems to win. Loudest being number of posts.

 

On the subject of damping curves. I highly recommend reading the difference between digressive, linear and progressive here: http://www.shimrestackor.com/Code/Sample_Applications/Damping_Profile/damping-profile.htm

 

op just get you some ADS coilovers and all your problems will be solved.

 

can am

 

Fuck it! BP51's for the win. Why? Because of the cool green color they used.


although you can't really tell the color in photos.

 

I've got those same UCA's. I was a bit worried at how angled they are but yours look to be angled about the same. Keep on Truck'n.

 

How does a emu or dobinson shock nitrocharger shock hold up next to a bilstein shock ?

 

I have these, kind of overkill for the 90% of driving i do. But the other 10% its very very fun and well worth it.

 

yes just yes

 

Honestly I don't know much about the suspension and there is some hostility here, but I did learn a lot reading this so thank you every one for the info!