Tires on LT kit

Hey everyone, i know this has been covered a thousand times but i couldn’t quite find what i was looking for so i thought i would ask all of you. I have a 2001 tacoma and am looking at getting an All-Pro “pro” LT kit but i need new tires so im just trying to see what everyone thinks for size of tires on the OEM tacoma wheel (I believe they’re 15” but if thats wrong let me know). I was thinking of 33’s but some tell me they’re too big others say they’ll fit perfectly and i can go even bigger. Also if anyone has experience with the All Pro LT kit feel free to chime in.

 

33s will be a good fit

 

I might have missed it, but I don't see an LT kit on All-Pro's website for 1st gens.

Do you mean this "Pro" kit: If so, that's NOT LT (long travel). Most lift kits don't actually offer any more travel than stock, they just move the ride height.

You have a 2001, so I'm pretty sure you have 16" wheels... 33's shoud fit the above linked lift kit pretty well, but you may still need to hammer the pinch weld, and possibly trim a little here and there.

If you're looking at actual Long Travel, that pushes the track out usually 2 or more inches on either side (longer control arms), and you usually end up with fiberglass fenders so running 35's is pretty normal.

 

Thanks for this, they have that kit listed with all their other LT kits but i was questioning whether it really was or not.

I really would like to do a LT kit since i do a bit of off-roading on my stock setup already and just want to be able to keep pushing it if i can find a kit i can afford. Id rather not do a lift kit then in a year turn around and spend more money to do it over to get the LT.

I am very new to all this however and am still trying to figure out everything i will need to do a complete Long Travel suspension. On a positive it is good to hear that 35’s are normal as thats what I originally wanted anyway.

 

LT is a BIG investment. Total Chaos has a 1st gen LT kit that's >$3000, and that's just the front, and doesn't include drivetrain, shocks, fenders, or rear suspension. There are a few other kits out there too, but iirc all of them are at least $2500 and generally don't include shocks or drivetrain. You can easily spend just as much on LT as you did to purchase the entire truck.

https://www.chaosfab.com/96-04-Tacoma-Long-Travel-Suspension-Kit-96000.html

I mean, it is BAD ASS, but not a simple bolt on affair. Plus, you need to sell 3 or 4 kidneys to afford it... lol

What I'd suggest is a "mid travel" setup.

Check out my build here:
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...-2004-4x4-doublecab-trd.622208/#post-21220173

It's still a work in progress, but the mid travel Kings are FANTASTIC. They offer 1" more down travel, which equates to 2+" more wheel travel, and the Kings are well... they're Kings...

The other thing is I can guarantee you don't "need" long travel, or even mid travel when you're first starting out off roading. A good set of conventional coilovers, hell, even just some Bilstein 5100s will be a VAST improvement over stock shocks, and that is more than enough to go wheeling.

There are some threads here on fitting 35s, without long travel. There's even a guy that ran 35's at nearly STOCK height. He did a shit ton of tubbing tho... So you don't need a lift to fit 35s if you're willing to cut...

Check out my build thread (my King install post is linked above). I go off on a little diatribe about the "buy once - cry once" mentality, and how it doesn't always make sense.

 

I dont know how i ever missed your build thread in the past thanks for linking it. Ill have to do some more research into the mid travel, i dont know too much about it but the idea intrigues me since i do use my truck as my daily for the time being.

 

I really like it. It's a fantastic happy medium between selling your first born son to the diamond mines, and having a high performance suspension.

I see TONS of threads where someone buys a Tacoma and then asks "what do I need to modify to go off-roading?" The answer is nothing. These trucks are perfectly capable off road when 100% stock - maybe some good all-terrain tires, lol. Don't base your modifications off what you see on instagram or whatever, base it on what you have found to be limiting what you are willing to do. You'd be amazed at what just a well set up stock travel coilover will do.

Did you get stuck on that section of trail because your tires and suspension didn't allow enough ground clearance (totally plausible) or because of poor line choice and limited driver skill (especially when just getting into the hobby, this is more likely)?

If you haven't already, I'd suggest just getting out there and driving it in the dirt and rocks and figure out what type of driving style and terrain suit you best. Focus more on safety and recovery gear - things you'll need no matter what suspension package you end up with.

Long travel is cool for mobbing in the desert and making your truck look fat, but if your goal is the slower rock crawling stuff, IMO don't waste your money, go SAS. An equally ambitious (more so, in fact) suspension modification, but geared towards a specific use. SAS'd trucks can still be daily driven. Anything can be daily driven, lol.

If you're bottoming out your suspension, or overheating your shocks all the time, yeah, consider at least some larger diameter coilovers or ones with resi's. I had found I never overheated even my 5100s, so for me the extra expense of resi's was superfluous and the Kings have more than excelled at their job for me.

As I mention (I think?) in my build thread, I needed new shocks and the 5100s fit the bill at the time. They offered increased performance over stock, at minimal cost. I even gave them to my friend when I got my Kings and he ran them for a while, too. My first run with my Kings (with my friend who had my old 5100s), the difference was clear. I was leading on this fire road and I was going at a decent clip, not really pushing as I had my son with me, too. We came to a split so I pulled over and waited. A minute or so later my friend rolls up eyes wide open talking about how he kept "finding the bump stops" trying to keep up with me.

Anywho, sorry for the long rambling post...

 

i agree, these trucks are more than capable. Sadly last time i was out i got a little too ambitious and bottomed out a bit, actually broke my exhaust right behind the muffler was pretty excited actually next year ill get to buy myself something shiny. All in all i thought it would just be easier to do the suspension and tires at the same time and after some research am definitely gonna go with a mid travel kit, was thinking of going

• King 2.5 coil overs
• OME 2.5” lift dakar leafs
• King 2.5 reservoirs in rear
• Camburg UCA’s
• Total caos differential drop

Downsouth does a package i can get it all for a pretty reasonable price. Now im just debating on tires.

 

That's pretty much what I did for the front. I originally wanted the Camburgs, but DSM was out of stock, so they gave me a deal on the Total Chaos UCA's.

The rear is still sporting my OEM leafs, 5100s, and shackles. I'm looking at going for the Deaver J59s and likely "custom" length Kings. The Deavers and my shackles should give me 2.5" lift, then I'm still playing around with the idea of shock relocation...

 

How does the shock relocation work, ive read a little about it but dont really understand where you relocate it and what the benefits are.

 

depends on where/how you relocate them.


It's mostly a way to install longer travel shocks, therefor get more wheel travel. The long travel/pre-sunner guys will just holes in the bed and mount the 9 foot long shocks on a truss in the bed. Those of use who want to still use the bed have to go about it differently, lol.

(this BAMF mount has been discontinued, but you get the idea)


When you lay the shocks over like that, you can get more vertical wheel travel for a given shock travel. My 86' 4Runner had a tube welded across the frame rails, and I mounted the shocks to that, about 4" apart at the top, and at the leafs on the bottom. It had something like 22" travel with some red-neck custom 2wd Nissan + toyota leafs. The sacrifice is that lowers the effectiveness of the shock dampening because the dampening is not in teh same direction of travel. It had some mean body roll, lol

The other thing this does is possible increase axle wrap. The staggered (OEM style) shocks help reduce, or at least dampen the twisting of the axle under torque. So this has a tendancy to increase axle wrap, although it wasn't that bad in my 4Runner.

So, for a daily driver, or if you like mobbing in the desert, I might not suggest something like this.

About the longest shock you can hope to install under the bed is a 10" travel shock if you install them parallel like this (this is from @turbodb's build). If you lay them over like in the earlier link, you might be able to squeeze a 12" travel shock, but installing them is a little harder since you need to worry about how the suspension angles change, and can't just mount them straight up and down like this.



Ok, sorry, that was probably more than you asked for...

 

No that was perfect. Sorry for my ignorance but youve been extremely helpful.