Electric Tacoma coming

How about electric produced by nuclear, solar, wind, or hydro also?

 

Range by then would be over 300 miles/charge and short charging times.

 

That’s what I meant. No problem to go hydrogen if energy is cheap and abundant

 

Yeah, I mean the guy who is analyzing the datasets is part of UCD’s well-regarded Institute of Transportation Studies. It’s a solid peer-reviewed publication. The author isn’t a slouch. The surveys were performed using DOT outreach to those who purchased PHEVs and full EVs. It’s easily one of the best references offered in this trashtastic thread. It’s not perfect, but it’s something.

Also, the survey period that they used reaches back in time to buyers that were pretty early in the EV/PHEV adoption. A lot of those cars have been superseded by better offerings. I still have my PHEV Prius I bought in 2017, so I guess I’m part of that 82% that didn’t go back to his freaky ex

 

Good for fleet use or factory/wharehousing but even it doesn’t burn clean unless you also supply pure O2 instead of air. CO and nitrogen byproducts are the poisons/smog, CO2 would be harmless if we didn’t produce so much of it.

Kudos for having an open mind to notice that. It’s not a monolithic culture.

 

I read this and envisioned a battery+ truck pulling up instead of a tow truck. Lol!!! Straight up though, this has been a very good thread to better understand e power! I love my e bike, so...Im all in!

 

More and more EV Motorcycle options popping up. Yamaha has an EV motor they are advertising that will most likely be put into their EV line of bikes, Quads, ATV's, and a car skateboard platform. Yamaha makes high quality products. The nicest I've seen is Zero and the recent Husqvarna EV bike.

 

There is virtually no excitement for E-bikes.

 

Mostly cars are what people want, I've seen a few EV bikes around though. Range is still barely daily driver range for an E-Bike.

 

Good post. But what about battery waste? Impact from mining and refining? Hydrogen is 'cleaner' on the back side, and based upon your post, can be cleaner on the front side eventually. As far as hydrocarbons go...these green cars all will still need lots of rubber and plastics. Cannot make either without hydrocarbons. If we are still using them for physical parts, why double crib with the energy source?

 

A lot of EV manufacturers do use recycled plastics (repurposed) inside and out. Water based paints and coatings. Repurposed wood, synthetic leather. Some need to do better that's for sure.

 

Electric cars/trucks are coming. There is no denying that. I for one, while not fighting the idea - I am also not in any particular rush for it.

Battery technology has a long way to go. Research and development to make them lighter, smaller, more efficient and have a better range is ongoing but not quite there yet. I would want something more than a 300 to 325 mile range and then have to wait eight hours to charge it. That just doesn’t work for me.

Also, electric vehicles aren’t as “clean“ as everyone may be thinking. It takes electricity to recharge these cars. Electricity is made by power plants. Power plants in general are coal burning facilities. The cleanest form of energy is nuclear but unfortunately the green folks put a Kabah on that too. So to produce energy to produce electricity to recharge vehicle batteries, it’s not optimal for the environment.
Last thing that I’m going to mention is cost. Of course there is the cost of eventually having to replace and dispose of batteries along with electrical cost to charge them. Then there is the cost that nobody seems to notice is, the taxation cost. As less and less people are buying gasoline which has a built-in Road tax, there is going to be less money to maintain the roads and highways. Where is that money going to come from? I am figuring the government will put a mileage tax on our vehicles. We will be taxed per mile that we drive to make up that difference. Of course the tax can go out at their will.

Again, I am not a conspiracy theorist and do think electric vehicles are coming. Just a couple points to perhaps mull over.

 

I don't hear MC people expressing much interest in E-MC. I think taking away the motor, from the motor bike takes away what people like about MC.

Four wheel enclosed passanger vehicles that can run off of electricity or gas are practical vehicles, and the majority of people who operate and own them. Do not care how they are powered.

 

Here in NJ there is no sales tax for used EV's and I think new EV's also. We pay for road projects through federal and state funds which are our income taxes. So all god points and states have their own way of taxation when it comes to vehicles. But the transition from petrol to EV is going to be way over half a century so the gas taxes will still be relevant.

 

Being a long time motorcycle rider I can care less about he engine and I like the motorcycle experience for the ride. Very interesting series Long Way Up on Apple TV they get, back then, prototype RIVIAN Pickup and Harley EV motorcycles made for them to travel from South America to Los Angeles. They show the good and bad side of bot EV Trucks and Motorcycles. If these guys can travel through South America with EV's we can do it here in the USA.

https://youtu.be/611fw81BN98

 

Toyota holds a bunch of patents for Solid State Lithium batteries. The next evolutionary step.

 

It's suspected the CUV they introed will have them and they wouldn't confirm regular Lithium batteries in it either. Their Truck thats testing now is suspected of having their Solid State batteries.

 

Ultimately making the parts that go into them fully recycled is the goal even if using petroleum based plastics. The idea is to keep those long carbon chains sequestered on the ground in various forms rather than permanently releasing them to the atmosphere or tossing them aside. What goes into batteries already is even with liion cells and since they have steel casings instead of plastic like LA batteries they’re already a step ahead there. Oil won’t be going away anytime soon but it’s pretty silly to be pissing it away when there are so many other uses that don’t completely destroy the molecules. Since being discovered the emphasis on plastics has been usage. Now with the Pacific Gyre and other consequences of just pitching it that emphasis has to change to reusage. From the moment it’s created a plastic becomes something that doesn’t just go away on its own so planning for that extended presence should be just as important as it’s first iteration.

 

Given that one reason riders like bikes to begin with is the acceleration this doesn’t seem likely to be a long lived shortage. Winning races usually solves this. Whether on the track or the street no one enjoys being totally owned.

 

Don’t you have taxes built into the price per gallon of gas? I’m fairly certain most if not all states have a road tax or such built into the price of gasoline. Not a sales tax per say but a road tax. I thought I read in New Jersey they can use that gas tax for pretty much anything they wanted.