Fumoto Fact(s) You Might Not Know

The number one reason why our truck engines use a $0.05 plug versus a $25 valve is because the manufacturer is ALWAYS looking at shaving cost. The manufacture doesn’t design optimally. They balance form, fit, function, cost and reliability.

 

Holy shit dude take a chill pill.

I didn't blow you shit anywhere in this thread, in fact supported the Fumoto. If you can't grasp how this works, you should ask your university for a refund.

 

I guess my real emotions don’t come through with mere letters. I’m with you. Just jokingly responding. I enjoyed the levity of your post. Put the coffee down, lol.

I need to incorporate emojis into my responses. Sorry.

 

I have been trying to understand why airplanes use a quick drain which some folks here on terra firma have concerns with the possibilities of a failure. So here is my take as to potential failures. I speak with great authority about something I know nothing about

A drain plug has 3 possible states 1/ removed from oil pan 2/ attached to oil pan but loose and 3/ attached to oil pan and torqued. With human nature being what it is all three are possible. The quick drain "fumoto" eliminates the most problematic of the three and has only 2 states 1/ Bad but impossible to not detect or 3/ Good

So I believe that eliminating the 2/ attached to oil pan but loose and not obviously a problem is the reason that aircraft utilize the quick drain, it is either open or closed and nothing that could be a latent problem.

 

Might I add a 4th state? Cross-threaded.

 

Best practices with a large enough pipe wrench should take care of that minor technicality

 

The valve threads in and could be in all 3 states too and has a 4th of possible failure of the valve. None of the airplanes I've owned have had a quick drain.

I prefer this method to Loctite.

 

I agree on both points. I will put the overfill in the pros column but again that’s not a problem I ever experience so on a lot I can go either way. I love the idea of being able to easily remove any accumulation of water between oil changes and also to be able to drain the oil directly into an empty jug without having to deal with an oil drain pan. Those are the sales points for me personally. I trust it’s reliability and myself to use it correctly so the only con I have is the possibility of it taking damages on or off road. But honestly I’ve never bashed my oil pan on anything so I would say the risk of that for me personally is pretty low.

 

Casting call- where are all the oil pan damage pics! With all the talk about how this would be a problem with the Fumoto one would expect to find a thread about all of you who have damaged your underside. I haven’t seen a lengthy thread about this so is it really a big issue, like more than 100 of you, or is this an urban myth?

I’m not saying this isn’t happening, only that I’m not aware of it. Link me to the thread please. Thank you

 

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s a frequent problem only that is could be a possibility. It would look something like this.

 

Or this.

 

This is not the correct OEM washer to use on a 3rd generation drain plug. This is:

OEM Part number

$9 90430-12031 Genuine Toyota - Oil Drain Plug Gaskets (QTY10)

90430-12031, and you're supposed to replace it every oil change.


So I agree with your post for the most part. Unless you don't have a skid plate, (or you have a fragile masculinity) there is no reason not to have a Fumoto.

I'm also an engineer. You know, it's okay to introduce a calculated "point of failure" if the benefits are justified. In this case, the benefits are abundant and the risk is minimal.

I'll give it to you. You're the first person to mention "oil drain plug security" in a Fumoto thread. And yes, I believe this is more likely to happen than a rock shearing off the drain valve during off-roading. Having said that, I'm still not worried.

 

I think the most common concern is knocking the Funmoto valve off when you dent your skid plate, or a stone or log or branch wedges up over your skid plate. Fellas who travel unimproved roads all have stories about sensors and whatnot getting knocked off, sometimes even those way up in the transmission tunnel. I believe that is the only concern, and a valid one. I’ve dented in my aluminum TRD skid plate pretty severely when hitting a boulder in a mud puddle that was obscured. I am glad I could cave it in without having to worry about it hitting my Funmoto valve.

For guys who mainly drive onroad, or just FSR-type gravel roads looking for a Instagram shots, the valve makes perfect sense.

 

I should add, if you knock your airplane’s Funmoto valve off on a rock, or log, you’ve got wayyyyy bigger problems than leaking oil.

 

If I recall correctly from my time flying 172/152, the quick drain is a spring loaded valve, not the one with a handle that you can improperly close. Otherwise it would be on the prefligh check list.

 

I have a 14 and I dont need a tool to get my filter off I just wait for it to cool off and give it a good twist.

 

Ok. Noted. This is applicable to approximately 5% of all truck sales. How is it we get the 5 %’s driving the conversation as if they represented the 95%?

 

Why get all worked up over a silly drain plug, it doesn't bother me in the least if someone decides to stuff bubblegum in their truck?

 

Well, I believe you incorrectly assume just because someone responds they are all worked up. Hmmm, why is that? Is that what you do? I’m simply trying to learn something here and I’ve read so many opposing comments about the valve but can’t quite wrap my head around that there are 250,000 trucks out there who have had damaged oil pans.

U.S. Tacoma sales are roughly 250,000 each year. This means over the past 4 years we have 1,000,000 4 year old or younger Tacoma’s on the road. I don’t mind being wrong one bit but show me something that indicates this OIL-pan-damage-risk applies to more than 50,000 trucks total. 50,000 is 5% of the million trucks sold in ONLY the last 4 years.

Seems like the one’s who are getting all worked up are the handful of you who can’t stand some people believe the valve is actually a clever and useful idea. Don’t assume just because a $0.05 drain plug comes standard on the trucks means that it is an optimal design element to the ball valve. I suspect its cost that is driving Toyota’s decision, not function or risk of damage.

I’m here to learn so go right ahead and explain away- I’m all ears.

And how is bubblegum analogous to a ball valve?

 

It obviously bothered you to the point that you made a Thread on it. As l said already, l couldn't care less what you do with your truck, if you you want a valve, plug, or bubblegum have at it.