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Old Coleman Camp stove.

Discussion in 'Outdoors' started by Jkinz11, Jul 20, 2021.

  1. Jul 21, 2021 at 4:53 PM
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    RedWings44

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    I just rejuvenated my leather with some lightweight suspension oil I use for my MTB.
     
  2. Jul 21, 2021 at 5:02 PM
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    that works too. At some point they get so old they start to disintegrate. The rubber pump works really well and is like $10 for the kit.
     
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  3. Jul 21, 2021 at 5:43 PM
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    oldcolemanparts.com is a great resource. I've purchased a couple of things through them. They also have some new old stock items as well.
     
  4. Jul 21, 2021 at 5:46 PM
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    This model doesn’t have the brass valve as far as I can tell. There is a dial that has a “lite” setting, off, high and low. I felt like I had it going for 3-4 mins and still didn’t heat up enough to roar and get rid of the flame. I may have to tinker a bit. Only had time to try it once so far today
     
  5. Jul 22, 2021 at 2:56 AM
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    My model is slightly newer than yours but maybe this will help:

    The instructions for mine are just to pump it about 50x, turn the brass fitting up (doesn't apply to you), and then open the fuel valve all the way and light. There will be a large flame but it will heat the tube and die down to a blue flame. At that point I can turn down the brass fitting (again, doesn't apply here) and pump in more air.

    I'm not sure your model but try making sure it is on the highest setting after lighting. After it is burning consistently, then you can turn it down.

    If none of that still works it may be time for a cleaning. It is pretty simple and there aren't many parts. Carb/brake cleaner is your best friend. Just be careful around painted surfaces (I may or may not know anything about that :facepalm:). Also, search your model and there should be lots of YouTube videos on it.
     
  6. Jul 23, 2021 at 8:46 AM
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    That valve assembly is unlike any I've seen before but it may be unique to some Canadian version. What is the model number of the stove (should be stamped to the left of the handle and is usually three digits followed by a letter)? I have several 413x stoves, some dating back to the 60's, and all have a small brass lever on the valve with 'Up to light and Down to burn' instructions.

    I'd suggest using compressed air to thoroughly clean the burners and air/fuel tube - an orange high flame is often an indication spiders have been at work and left debris in the chambers. If you disassemble the burners, be sure to keep the rings in the same order and the same top to bottom orientation.

    https://colemancollectorsforum.com/ is a great resource for all Coleman gas appliances. You'll need to join in order to post but the members are extremely knowledgeable and willing to help.

    Congratulations on the purchase and please post back when you get it running correctly.
     
  7. Jul 23, 2021 at 9:05 AM
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    The model number is a 431. Not a ton of videos on this particular model that I’ve been able to find.
    I will give it a good clean and see where I’m at after that.
    I will update when I’m able to.
     
  8. Jul 23, 2021 at 9:12 AM
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    Family had one for camping in the 60's. I remember having to buy "white gas" to run it. Still working last time I checked. Replace seals, check for leaks and fire it up.
     
  9. Jul 23, 2021 at 9:15 AM
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    Yes those things are almost bulletproof. Still making basically the same design today. I like the newer dual fuel ones that burn regular old gasolina. Don’t try it in that one though.
     
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    431 is definitely a Canadian model produced around 1980 or so. There's a little info here https://terry-marsh.com/coleman-canada-stoves-later-models/ Scroll down towards the bottom.

    Edit to add - I did find a thread on the coleman collectors group that mentioned 431's may have a propensity to leak around the control valve.
     
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    They will run both. The octane is about the same.
     
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    I'm gonna revive this old ass thread opposed to making a new one.
    I've been geeking out on my stove for the last week or so though I'd share. I bought this stove a couple of years ago and was unable to get it going . I was going to give it to a neighbor who had a similar one, but turned it down. So I decided to make an actual effort on getting it going. After a bit of internet research and a couple of youtube videos I had it up and going. It mainly involved replacing the lether pump cup and cleaning out the check valve. I'm going to take the burners apart and give them a good cleaning along with the rest of the stove. But all in all I'm super happy to get it going. I bought a propane conversation for it too just for the added flexibility and convenience. It all still packs nicely into the stove during transport.
    It was made in March of 1968. It's a 425e which was the smaller version at the time.
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    Propane conversation.
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    All packed up.
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    Dinner
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    Some size comparisons.
    Camp cheif everest 2x
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    Next to a gas one 400p duel fule.
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    It's been fun to bring an old tool back to life. I have a couple more things to do to make it just right .
    Hope you enjoyed and the OP dosent mind that I tagged along on there tread maybe we can use this for others to show off there old colmans or similar stoves.
     
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    Love those old stoves. I grew up camping with my parents and we had a lot of meals cooked on those old Coleman stoves. I can still hear the hissing sound of those old stoves (and old lanterns). A lot of memories there.
     
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    I still use one of mine (I've got three of them plus a single burner Peak 1; one was my grandfather's from the late '50s or so, one was my folk's that's probably late '60s and I bought mine in the '80s) and one of my lanterns (I've got three of them too as well as a single mantle Peak 1) when I go for more than a night. I keep a Jetboil in the truck year round and it's great for quickly boiling water but for actually cooking and nostalgia you can't beat the old Coleman's. I've also got a couple of the old Coleman catalytic heaters that Coleman quit selling since retards wouldn't read and follow the instructions, killed themselves and our idiotic government had to protect us from ourselves. I've got a couple of other stoves too including the standard Asian butane single burner that works great for samgyupsal (Gas One brand that also came with a propane adapter hose). I might have a stove problem.

    Incidentally Coleman fuel is naptha if you want to spend a little less. You can also burn unleaded in them, even the non-dual fuel version; it's not quite as clean burning and the stove will need to be serviced/cleaned more frequently, but that's not hard once you've done it once. You can also buy a propane adapter as shown above. Coleman fuel isn't as common as it used to be since everyone wants the convenience of propane and it's jumped way up in price from what it used to be but fortunately a tank last a long time if you don't just leave it burning for no reason. Actual Coleman fuel will also store for years as long as you screw the cap back on the container.
     
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    Though I'd update this a bit.
    I ended up cleaning the burners and what not. I think I need to rebuild or replace the fule controller. Because it's just not holding pressure like it should. I can cook with the white gas but I have to be mindful and give it a few pumps here and there.
    I did buy a folding colman oven to go with my kit. I cut the handel off a cheep cast iron skillet to use as a heat sink/defuser, which also helps to fit it in my cooking bag.
    I've been playing with it at home to figure out how long to cook and what temperatures I can reach. I was able to get a consent 325. Which extends the baking time by about 5 minutes. It took about 1/2 a hour to reach that temp buy just using a lower flame.
    So far I've made some cookies,brownies and reheated some cinnamon rolls. The brownies and rolls came out great with only a small strip of the bottom being burnt,but the rest was perfect. The cookies didn't fair as well . In my defense it was my first time using it and I may have been a bit inebriated. So far I've used the stove with the propane for about 3 hours and I'm 1/2 way through the green area on the gauge. I'm guessing that's probably a little more than a quarter of a tank.
    The stove doesn't fit perfectly over the flame on my smaller stove but it pack down to about 2"thick and the size of the face wich is like 11" ish. So far it's been fun and it will be nice fo make some treats on longer trips. I'm glad to get some practice in with the setup while at home instead of ruining something at camp or worse running out of fuel.
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