1st Gen Lunchtable Thread - General Discussion

I see em sometimes, not much support for Nissans though. It's kind of hard to do anything worthwhile with a torsion bar front end.

 

I hated the Xterra my old best friend's wife owned

It had worse gas mileage than my Corvette at the time and I only borrowed it several times when I was moving and getting ready to get out of the military

 

Well I’d only get a 22re truck if it already had a solid front axle. By the way is it just me or is the 22re the most overrated engine? They made 80 horsepower and chewed through timing chains every 100k, and also liked to blow head gaskets and burn valves. The 3RZ is way better, and the 2TR is better still.

 

Look at you sounding like you've got experience with running several through the grinder!

 

Some people swear by them. Does the coil over IFS on our first gens really flex that much better than a torsion bar set up?

 

I don't mind the 22RE they're cheap to work on... If I was just going to have a little five lug mini I'd probably want a 22RE. But I'd still rather have a 3RZ or a 2tr. But in the context of the time the 22RE is pretty good. It had a lot of time to develop itself from the days of the 18R

 

Yeah. The only time I've ever seen Xterras Wheeling they've already had their front cut off. And I don't know any second gen or third gen pickup guys or first or second gen 4Runner guys that run that stock torsion bar IFS. They both have a range of motion just shy of 7 in of travel. The ifs without changing the geometry on a Tacoma is just a little above or below 9 in depending on if you get extended travel coilovers

 

I never owned one, but you can’t even find one anymore that hasn’t been through several redneck “rebuilds”.

 

Torsion bars are cheap and they ride comfortably. That's their claim to fame. Other than that they have no place on something being wheeled. That's why I like every 60s/70s boat you see is on torsion bars

 

Don’t the longer coils just sacrifice down travel for up travel, or vv? I read somewhere the only actual way to get more total travel is longer LCAs. 2” sounds somewhat negligible to me anyway.

 

Do you think at all before you write things. Explain to me how your first sentence could possibly make sense? I'm actually having trouble visualizing something that stupid sounding. Actually while you're at it explain your second sentence too

 

I guess they’re tough for a truck you just take on washboard roads a lot, and some mild BLM roads and stuff like that.

 

What don’t you understand? Lift kits on IFS don’t actually increase clearance or travel, just where you start, as I understand it. And I was saying 2” difference in suspension travel didn’t seem that mind boggling to me.

 

I mean doesn’t lifting IFS just mean kess down travel, and more up travel? I don’t understand why you though that was so dumb?

 

The way I read what Zane said, not to try and dog pile, is simply that using extended travel (mid travel for sake of argument) nets more wheel travel on the Tacoma versus the torsion bar setup on the other vehicles compared.

Meaning, the coilovers themselves are more of an inhibitor to the vehicle's suspension on the Tacoma.

 

Ah I see now, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how suspension works. You're going to make me get my laptop out to write something to you aren't you.....

Of course it increases clearance and in some cases travel, dunno where you came up with any of that shit. It doesn't always increase clearance from the body but it can depending on where you set an upper limit and whether or not you've made more downtravel. I can't and won't explain everything to you since it sounds like we are starting below even a minimal knowledge of how it works here. But in the context of our IFS, yes extended coilovers increase travel and no coil bind isn't a factor because guess what... same exact springs as a regular coilover. It's the shock shaft that has its lower bound increased. So yes, more travel... holy fuck are you so skeptical of EVERY manufacturer that you've never researched it before blindly assuming they're lying to you?

Also 2" at the wheel is a big deal, but you don't wheel so I didn't actually take issue so much with that statement because you wouldn't have known,

 

No it's time to dog pile dammit

 

I've never owned a torsion bar setup (that you guys are comparing) but know enough to stay away from such a setup if I wanted more travel with less work

That's all

 

@Ozark_RegCab

Just an honest question; what is about an IFS setup that you believe wheel travel does not change when you change one or more variables (outside of upper and lower control arms).

In other words, why won't coilovers supply more travel like you're claiming they don't?

 

Two door 2nd gen with a 22re would be kinda cool. Needle in a haystack and slow, but cool.